# McCain called a liar to his face on THE VIEW **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 13, 2008, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421 "2008-09-13T10:14:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/1 "2008-09-13T10:14:27Z")
Apologies if there’s already a thread. I couldn’t find one, but my search feature is wacky at the moment. McCain goes on The View and is flat out said to be a liar (well, specifically, that he promotes lies about Obama) by Joy Behar (hardly a Pulitzer prize winning journalist- in fact she’s a stand up comic) and asked by Whoopi if she need worry about being reenslaved, and gets booed by the audience. It’ll be interesting to see what if anything comes of this. He also _DOES_ claim to believe the lipstick on a pig comment was addressed at Palin. Of all strange shows to do confrontational journalism. (Really more MPSIMS, but I’ve no doubt it would end up here.) Of course he had to know there were at least two Maenads in wait for him (Behar’s a regular guest on Larry King and I think filled in the night McCain cancelled). Walters may have surprised him a bit. Hasselback of course calls him Daddy and asked to kiss his war wounds. I’ll avoid commentary for now, just watch and tell me what you think: [Part One](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5T_JC_mJ0) [Part Two](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoQ_G6eMJAQ&feature=related) [Part Three](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvEDfwAg1ng&feature=related) ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/2 "2008-09-13T11:56:10Z")
Watching Joy and Whoopi trying to talk politics is like going to a 7th grade orchestra concert. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/3 "2008-09-13T12:18:39Z")
> [@Evil\_One](#): > > Watching Joy and Whoopi trying to talk politics is like going to a 7th grade orchestra concert. Must sting to watch a seventh grader spank your boy like that… ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/4 "2008-09-13T12:24:13Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Must sting to watch a seventh grader spank your boy like that… Yes. You caught me, Fear. Due to the insightful commentary and obvious grasp of the issues by Joy Behar and Whoopi Goldberg I am now a comitted liberal democrat. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/5 "2008-09-13T12:53:39Z")
It’s kind of embarrassing to see Whoopi discussing a document she obviously has not read. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![rock\_party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19b73/32.png) [@rock\_party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rock_party)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/6 "2008-09-13T13:22:54Z")
JB said the kindergarden/sex-ed ad McCain was a lie. Toward the end of the segment, however, they showed the grainy 60’s footage of McCain the POW, and Barbara asked tenderly, “Tell us what you were feeling here”…the only thing missing was Yankee Doodle Dandy on a flute. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/7 "2008-09-13T13:44:04Z")
> [@Evil\_One](#): > > Watching Joy and Whoopi trying to talk politics is like going to a 7th grade orchestra concert. Hey, I was in the orchestra in 7th grade. We weren’t nearly that bad. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/8 "2008-09-13T13:56:27Z")
> [@Evil\_One](#): > > Watching Joy and Whoopi trying to talk politics is like going to a 7th grade orchestra concert. It’s a sad commentary on modern America when people like Joy and Whoopi, and even like Jon Stewart, have to step up to fulfill the duties of the fourth estate. That said, I find your attempted dismissal, with a weak taunt no less, of the concerns raised about McCain here to be a juvenile act all itself. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/9 "2008-09-13T13:57:32Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > It’s kind of embarrassing to see Whoopi discussing a document she obviously has not read. > > Regards, > Shodan So in your opinion, she appears to be ready for the VP spot on the GOP ticket. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/10 "2008-09-13T14:07:09Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > It’s a sad commentary on modern America when people like Joy and Whoopi, and even like Jon Stewart, have to step up to fulfill the duties of the fourth estate. As has been noted around here before the MSM is now more concerned with making money than providing a social service supporting democracy. Reporters are so concerned about future access they dare not overtly piss off a politician too much (heck, didn’t even the old battleaxe Helen Thomas get moved to the back of the press room by Bush for daring to ask difficult questions?). So it falls to the shows like The View and any of a number of others which have no real expectation of a return of the candidate to their show. They are free to zing them as much as they want. Their ratings are better supported by being confrontational. A sad state of affairs to be sure but that is what we get when the likes of Rupert Murdoch control our media. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/11 "2008-09-13T14:23:10Z")
McCain had a pretty rough ride on that show. I think he found out what a barracuda really is. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/12 "2008-09-13T14:43:42Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > heck, didn’t even the old battleaxe Helen Thomas get moved to the back of the press room by Bush for daring to ask difficult questions? [In the interest of fighting ignorance and all that jive]This comment intrigued me, since I hadn’t heard of it before. Apparently, though, it’s not true. Thomas was moved to the [second row](http://newsbusters.org/node/10979) following renovations to the press room, but was given back her [seat](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eat-the-press/2007/03/17/helen-thomas-gets-her-fro_e_43651.html) in the front row a month later. [/ITIOFIAATJ] ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/13 "2008-09-13T15:20:01Z")
> [@Atomicktom](#): > > [In the interest of fighting ignorance and all that jive]This comment intrigued me, since I hadn’t heard of it before. Apparently, though, it’s not true. Thomas was moved to the [second row](http://newsbusters.org/node/10979) following renovations to the press room, but was given back her [seat](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eat-the-press/2007/03/17/helen-thomas-gets-her-fro_e_43651.html) in the front row a month later. [/ITIOFIAATJ] While that may be true (I have not researched it) I consider anything from NewsBusters suspect from the get go. Perhaps he is 100% correct on that though, I am not saying either way as I do not know. The larger point though was about reporters getting “access” and pride of place and being schooled to mind their manners and not upset the politician with inconvenient questions. Certainly the Bush administration uses this as a club on reporters: > [@](#): > > At his televised news conference last week, President George W. Bush deliberately snubbed several reporters he ordinarily calls upon, including journos from the Washington Post, Newsweek, and USA Today. But the most conspicuous recipient of the 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. freeze-out was longtime UPI reporter Helen Thomas, who has barbed and grilled every president since John F. Kennedy and almost always gets to ask a question. Bush pointedly ignored her. > > Bush then dealt Thomas a second slight. By custom, Thomas concludes White House press conferences at the president’s signal by saying, “Thank you, Mr. President.” Bush denied her that supporting role, ending the conference with his own sign off, “Thank you for your questions,” and flushing a decades-old White House custom. > > \ > > Last October, Fleischer maliciously tampered with the corps’ self-esteem by reassigning seats in the briefing room. The new chart demoted scribes from Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News & World Report from the Park Place of the second row to the Siberia of the sixth. > > SOURCE: [Screw you, Mr. President.](http://www.slate.com/id/2080034/) ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/14 "2008-09-13T15:40:11Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > While that may be true (I have not researched it) I consider anything from NewsBusters suspect from the get go. Perhaps he is 100% correct on that though, I am not saying either way as I do not know. > … > The larger point though was about reporters getting “access” and pride of place and being schooled to mind their manners and not upset the politician with inconvenient questions. Certainly the Bush administration uses this as a club on reporters: But my 2nd linked source was The Huffington Post. I thought the two “biased” sources would balance each other out.😃 I do agree, however, with your larger point. I was just being nit-picky. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/15 "2008-09-13T15:44:32Z")
> [@Atomicktom](#): > > But my 2nd linked source was The Huffington Post. I thought the two “biased” sources would balance each other out.😃 > I do agree, however, with your larger point. I was just being nit-picky. Dunno why…I totally blanked on seeing/checking your second cite. My bad. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/16 "2008-09-13T16:18:35Z")
I wish they would have pressed him on the “sex ed” lie rather than getting sidetracked about the stupid lipstick comment. Personally, I think that manipulating people into thinking that Obama supports condoms for kindergarteners (or whatever) is much more telling of McCain’s lack of integrity than who was more right/wrong to use the lipstick comment, Obama or McCain. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/17 "2008-09-13T16:26:02Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > So it falls to the shows like The View and any of a number of others which have no real expectation of a return of the candidate to their show. They are free to zing them as much as they want. Their ratings are better supported by being confrontational. The View definitely wants the candidate to come back. The thing is that they have such high ratings for a unique demographic that candidates can’t afford to stay away. McCain can shun Larry King and go on any number of loser cable shows. Though besides Oprah, no one else is reaching women voters like The View can. It’s the same thing for The Daily Show. No one else reaches young voters like Jon does. Candidates stay away at their own peril. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/18 "2008-09-13T16:30:47Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > It’s kind of embarrassing to see Whoopi discussing a document she obviously has not read. I missed the part where someone asked her a question about the document and she stalled by asking “In what respect?” ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/19 "2008-09-13T16:36:56Z")
I think the more lies/fabrications/twisting-of-truths will come back to haunt the candidates in the debates. Debates are where candidates often have to answer for statements/positions they’ve made/taken. I think, with an aggressive moderator, the candidate with more ridiculous lies/fabrications/twisting-of-truths out there will really need to worry. Moderator: Sen. Obama, you’ve claimed in ads that Sen. McCain thinks that rich is defined by making more than $5,000,000 per year. Do you \*really \*believe that Sen. McCain feels that way? Obama: Well, Tom, that’s what Sen. McCain said, and I haven’t heard him give another “definition of rich” since that day. Therefore the American people can only take Sen. McCain on those words. Moderator: Sen. McCain, you’ve claimed that Sen. Obama actively supported sex ed for kindergartners while in the Illinois state senate, when it’s clear from reading the bill that the only thing it supports is teaching children to protect themselves from sexual predators. Knowing this, do you \*really \*think the bill supported by Sen. Obama was inapropriate? McCain: Tom, I think the real issue here is that for five and a half years at the Hanoi Hilton, I was unable to have sex OR get an education. The preceding dialogue was all in light-hearted fun. I know these things haven’t been said, nor are they meant to further any arguement. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2008, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/20 "2008-09-13T17:22:23Z")
[QUOTE=Steve MB] I missed the part where someone asked her a question about the document and she stalled by asking “In what respect?” [/quote] Apparently Ms. Cushion doesn’t know that the Constitution outlawed slavery. Of course, she’s black, so she can’t be held to the same standards as Republicans. Regards, Shodan [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421.md?page=2)