# McCain called a liar to his face on THE VIEW **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 13, 2008, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421 "2008-09-13T10:14:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/41 "2008-09-15T17:20:00Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I wish they would have pressed him on the “sex ed” lie rather than getting sidetracked about the stupid lipstick comment. Personally, I think that manipulating people into thinking that Obama supports condoms for kindergarteners (or whatever) is much more telling of McCain’s lack of integrity than who was more right/wrong to use the lipstick comment, Obama or McCain. I agree. All he has to say is “it’s not a lie” and that’s the end of it? He’s a wrinkly old putz. And they should have pressed him harder. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/42 "2008-09-15T17:49:48Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > Perhaps this is a better question for GQ, but how was the 13th Amendment ratified? What restrictions were in place regarding holding political office in the former Confederacy. Was this, indeed, something that 2/3s of the states quickly ratified - as it appears to be from the ratification dates - or was the immediate reconstruction period a little like elections in Cuba - everyone gets to vote for Castro? It was an understanding in all of the Reconstruction plans (both Johnson’s and Congress’s) that a state would have to abolish slavery before being readmitted. ---
**Author:** ![Burton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Burton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Burton)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/43 "2008-09-15T18:29:42Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Conservatives talk about the Founding Fathers as if they were 18th century Apostles hand-picked and annointed by God, and their every thought and intention should be used to establish and evaluate current standards. McCain wants to put in Supreme Court justices who share the values of the Founding Fathers. Why shouldn’t the descendant of slaves–or anyone else who were excluded from “all men are created equal”–raise the point that the Founding Fathers believed in some crazy, immoral, wacked-out shit, and that they had a very different concept of the United States than we have now. > > Why do conservatives pretend that the Founding Fathers have anything to do with the social issues of today? If Thomas Jefferson had expressed favorable views towards abortion (especially for the temptress mulattas on the plantation), I sincerely doubt that the conservatives would feel differently about when life begins. So all the talk about Founding Fathers is a smoke screen. Just say you want justices who share _your_ values and quit with the history lesson. > > I’m not a Whoopie fan, but she got a Amen from me on the slavery remark. McCain walked right into that one and he deserved the embarrassment. The Founding Fathers if that’s how you want to term them were also muck raking lying politicians busy smearing each other in the same manner as today’s politicians. It’s business as usual and I wish the Democrats would pick up the pace some. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/44 "2008-09-15T19:34:09Z")
I just love the notion that being asked about policy positions and the double standard of the “I can say lipstick on a pig in reference to another candidate’s policies but you can’t” or even being asked “so how many houses **do** you own?” (which made her snap at them) is being _picked clean_. If anything he was allowed to just walk away from his own idiotic answers; I’d have kept on and on in questioning him about the “sex ed for kiddies” allegation and the pigstick dichotomy. Picked clean would have been making him answer exactly what info he gave while in captivity or how many civilians it was estimated his bombing raids killed (fair questions all since his P.O.W. service gets mentioned constantly [even at the DNC]), or asked about the Keating Five (though tis true that loose regulations of lenders is no longer an issue :rolleyes:) or about Palin’s “no thanks to the Bridge to Nowhere” comments or asked a “well, as someone who’s never mortaged anything except for your soul how do you feel you can relate to the crises of today?” pithy barbs. If this is being picked clean then Obama has certainly been picked clean with regards to Wright and Ayers et al and dealt with it a helluva lot more gracefully. To borrow the theme of another thread, I simply cannot understand how anybody can respect this man. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/45 "2008-09-15T20:03:54Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > So in your opinion, she appears to be ready for the VP spot on the GOP ticket. Hell no. Far as I know, she’s never shot a moose and I suspect her kids never played hockey. Not to mention she probably can’t see Russia from her porch, so she’s unqualified to talk on foreign affairs. Really, you gotta know the qualifications these days. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421/46 "2008-09-15T21:44:14Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Hell no. Far as I know, she’s never shot a moose and I suspect her kids never played hockey. Not to mention she probably can’t see Russia from her porch, so she’s unqualified to talk on foreign affairs. Really, you gotta know the qualifications these days. What’s her stance on lipstick? Pigs or pitbulls? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-called-a-liar-to-his-face-on-the-view/463421.md?page=2)