# McCain not as forked as the McCain Forked thread, but still forked **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 8, 2008, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951 "2008-10-08T03:49:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/241 "2008-10-14T15:13:35Z")
> [@pepperlandgirl](#): > > So, I’ve posted a few times that I think McCain is a rotten person and his whole “this will be a respectful campain” is nothing but a pretty transparent political ploy–not a genuine change of heart or anything resembling basic human decency. I posted this because I believe that McCain doesn’t have a trace of decency left in his body. > > [Good to know that I wasn’t wrong!](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND9DKa8TXwk) > > Yes, I’m sure there are plenty of Democrats calling John McCain a “traitor” and a “terrorist.” Does he even know how ridiculous that sounds? The more I hear him speak, the more of a slimy liar I’m convinced he is. A despicable human being. But it’s looking more and more like we won’t have to put up with his sorry self for much longer. > [@](#): > > [Obama Holds Clear Lead in Four Battlegrounds](http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/14/obama-leading-in-four-battlegrounds/) > > From Quinnipiac/ [washingtonpost.com/](http://washingtonpost.com/) Wall Street Journal polls: > > _Colorado_: **Obama 52, McCain 43** > _Michigan:_ **Obama 54, McCain 38** > _Minnesota:_ **Obama 51, McCain 40** > _Wisconsin:_ **Obama 54, McCain 37** > > _Dates conducted: Oct. 8-12. Error margin: Ranges 2.8-3.1 points._ ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/242 "2008-10-14T15:28:32Z")
I heard a McCain ad this morning which told me two things that I hadn’t realized: first, that John McCain is a “fighter;” and second, that I’m uncomfortable with someone **from Hawa’ii** with a name like Barack Obama. Pathetic. And the fact that they’re wasting resources running this sort of drivel in the Seattle metro area (they don’t refer to this as the “Soviet of Washington” for nothing, at least as far as the central Puget Sound area is concerned) says nothing complimentary about the campaign organization. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/243 "2008-10-14T19:12:14Z")
The [RNC won’t give him up:](http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14549.html) > [@](#): > > GOP sources emphasized they would not be diverting money from John McCain, who they promised would continue to enjoy a steady stream of ads from the party’s independent expenditure arm. The party raised a record $66 million last month, and McCain is increasingly relying on RNC funds. “ **We’re not giving up on McCain** ,” said a top GOP source. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/244 "2008-10-14T19:27:54Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > **from Hawa’ii** Hawaiʻi ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/245 "2008-10-14T19:37:51Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > I heard a McCain ad this morning which told me two things that I hadn’t realized: first, that John McCain is a “fighter;” and second, that I’m uncomfortable with someone **from Hawa’ii** with a name like Barack Obama. I suppose they neglected to mention that McCain is “from Panama”. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/246 "2008-10-14T19:54:51Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#): > > And the fact that they’re wasting resources running this sort of drivel in the Seattle metro area (they don’t refer to this as the “Soviet of Washington” for nothing, at least as far as the central Puget Sound area is concerned) says nothing complimentary about the campaign organization. I’d wager that the Seattle TV stations are carried by cable systems throughout the state. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/247 "2008-10-14T20:45:06Z")
I just noticed that in the latest in McCain’s waffling about on campaign strategies includes him talking about how he’s a fighter. It’s like he’s carefully stepping in the footprints left in the mud by Hillary Clinton a few months ago. ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/248 "2008-10-14T20:47:21Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > I just noticed that in the latest in McCain’s waffling about on campaign strategies includes him talking about how he’s a fighter. It’s like he’s carefully stepping in the footprints left in the mud by Hillary Clinton a few months ago. Next up, he cries when someone asks him why he wants to be president. Hey, maybe on Letterman tonight. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/249 "2008-10-14T20:50:07Z")
Do people really feel like we need a “fighter” right now? I’m no political campaign strategist, but it seems like most people, faced with the possibility of the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression and war on two fronts, might want calm, reflective leadership instead of someone who wants to go out and kick some ass. I think this is a really strange tack for McCain to take and doesn’t seem to be very relevant to the current emotional climate of the country. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/250 "2008-10-14T21:30:42Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Hawaiʻi Oops — I never could, punctuate? well. > [@Frank](#): > > I’d wager that the Seattle TV stations are carried by cable systems throughout the state. To be sure, but this was a radio station. Should have been clearer about that. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/251 "2008-10-14T23:06:47Z")
Obama 53, McCain 39 in a CBS/NYT National Poll 😮 ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/252 "2008-10-14T23:26:59Z")
I guess tomorrow McCain’s campaign will unveil a _new_ plan that they’ve been holding onto in case they fall below 40%. I’m confident it will be amazing. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/253 "2008-10-14T23:32:07Z")
> [@NY Times](#): > > The McCain campaign’s personal attacks on Barack Obama appear to have backfired, tarnishing John McCain more than their intended target, the latest New York Times/CBS News poll found. Heh. My faith in the American electorate might just possibly be restored. > [@C3](#): > > Do people really feel like we need a “fighter” right now? I’m no political campaign strategist, but it seems like most people, faced with the possibility of the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression and war on two fronts, might want calm, reflective leadership instead of someone who wants to go out and kick some ass. I think this is a really strange tack for McCain to take and doesn’t seem to be very relevant to the current emotional climate of the country. I quite agree. I always thought it was hysterical that Republicans acted the angriest and made the most noise about needing to fight the establishment about 4 years ago, when they controlled all three branches of government. I think your comments are dead on. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2008, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/254 "2008-10-14T23:55:29Z")
> [@pepperlandgirl](#): > > I guess tomorrow McCain’s campaign will unveil a _new_ plan that they’ve been holding onto in case they fall below 40%. I’m confident it will be amazing. He’s probably going to suspend his campaign to go after Osama bin Laden. McCain knows where he is, y’know, you betcha. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/255 "2008-10-15T00:21:05Z")
Heh, 538 has McCain’s chances down to 4.2% now. OTOH (according to his projection model) Obama has an 8% chance to win MS and a 9% chance to win AR. Hard to estimate on his graph but it looks like Obama has more of a chance of going over 425 than McCain has of winning and a 53% chance of winning by 375+. I think Osama is hiding out with McCain’s chances of pulling this out … both where McCain will never go. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/256 "2008-10-15T01:12:30Z")
Here’s how lame the McCain campaign is: I had a voicemail at home, one of those recorded messages, that told me that Obama sold America out to Hollywood and only spent 20 minutes talking to economic advisors on the day they all went to Washington in a blind panic. It was so random and pathetic I almost felt sorry for them. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/257 "2008-10-15T01:20:30Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Heh, 538 has McCain’s chances down to 4.2% now. OTOH (according to his projection model) Obama has an 8% chance to win MS and a 9% chance to win AR. Hard to estimate on his graph but it looks like Obama has more of a chance of going over 425 than McCain has of winning and a 53% chance of winning by 375+. I’ll also point out that a 60 seat Senate majority has risen to 30% from 25%. Sure, that counts Lieberman as a Dem., but if that scenario comes to play, is he really going to hold out on straight party-line cloture votes? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/258 "2008-10-15T01:36:35Z")
> [@waterj2](#): > > I’ll also point out that a 60 seat Senate majority has risen to 30% from 25%. Hell, a while ago it was 10%. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/259 "2008-10-15T01:47:46Z")
> [@Frodo](#): > > Obama 53, McCain 39 in a CBS/NYT National Poll 😮 CBS spikes three points more Dem. Add that another 3 point Margin of Error, and you’re back at 8%, plus or minus. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/260 "2008-10-15T01:53:16Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > CBS spikes three points more Dem. Add that another 3 point Margin of Error, and you’re back at 8%, plus or minus. Yep, Nate Silver of 538 makes the same point, even so… 14% wow. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951.md?page=14)