# McCain not as forked as the McCain Forked thread, but still forked **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 8, 2008, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951 "2008-10-08T03:49:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/601 "2008-10-27T13:50:15Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > \*I’ve read this story on several blogs but always in a FOF kind of way. I wonder if it’s true. Nate Silver told the [same](http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/on-road-western-pennsylvania.html) story on 538 and had it happening in Pennsylvania. The way he tells it, though, it’s hard to tell whether he’s just repeating a FOAF version or if it’s something he’s actually reporting. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/602 "2008-10-27T13:56:54Z")
Correction - it was Sean Quinn who wrote that post on 538. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/603 "2008-10-27T14:14:41Z")
[Financial Times endorses the communist:](http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1d0b127c-a380-11dd-942c-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1) > [@](#): > > **Obama is the better choice** > > The challenges facing the next president will be extraordinary. We hesitate to wish it on anyone, but we hope that Mr Obama gets the job. ---
**Author:** ![Discordia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Discordia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Discordia)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/604 "2008-10-27T14:16:18Z")
Socialist, not communist. Please get your smears right! ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/605 "2008-10-27T14:22:53Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > Party Unity My Ass (PUMAs). These are women who’re so pissed at Obama getting the nomination, they feel the only proper retribution is to vote for someone who’d be more than happy to have the police meddling in their vaginas (and then no doubt charge them for the “priviledge”). Given that most women I know, _love_ their vaginas, I can’t imagine that the PUMAs are in any way statistically significant. Has anyone shown that this group is even made up of Democrats? I have only seen them spouting right-wing internet talking points (he’s a muslim, he’s not really american, etc.) like they were possessed by Sean Hannity. My impression is that they were more Republican agitators trying to disrupt the nominating process by giving false support for Hillary to get the nomination then real Hillary supporters that were turning against thier party and own best interests (presumably) out of spite. I agree with Hillary that anyone who was truly a supporter of her platform would not find more in common with McCain then Obama policy-wise. Were they republican women trying to get any vagina in the White House or were they just troublemakers? Either way I never saw any in person or on news programs that weren’t idiots. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/606 "2008-10-27T14:30:47Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > [http://www.moby.com/files/www/inline/obama-lawn.jpg](http://www.moby.com/files/www/inline/obama-lawn.jpg) > > [http://www.moby.com/files/www/inline/obama-lawn-1.jpg](http://www.moby.com/files/www/inline/obama-lawn-1.jpg) Ok, that is wicked cool! ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/607 "2008-10-27T14:32:11Z")
I think there’s probably a mixture or racist Democrats who can’t stand the thought of a black president, and the traditional crazies who believe anything bad as long as it’s about a “liberal.” ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/608 "2008-10-27T14:37:38Z")
What is this thread’s reaction to the widespread\* reports of early-voting votes being flipped from Obama to McCain? \*: West Virginia, Ohio, Texas, Tennessee, even non-presidential problems in California ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/609 "2008-10-27T14:42:33Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > What is this thread’s reaction to the widespread\* reports of early-voting votes being flipped from Obama to McCain? > > \*: West Virginia, Ohio, Texas, Tennessee, even non-presidential problems in California Can you link to a story? ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/610 "2008-10-27T15:02:34Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > Has anyone shown that this group is even made up of Democrats? I offer as anecdote my wife. She has always been Dem, but is convinced that Hillary was tossed under the bus because she is a woman. Even pointing out that McCain is much more likely to get our oldest son drafted and his ass shot off doesn’t sway her. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/611 "2008-10-27T15:16:25Z")
Believe, **Biggirl** , believe! Why? Because [NASCAR legend Junior Johnson has endorsed Barack Obama!](http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7620893) In an email sent by the Obama campaign to North Carolinians (and hopefully to everyone in the Southeast), Junior Johnson comes roaring down the track to the checkered flag for the O-man! > [@](#): > > Dear [email recipient], > > Join me in supporting Barack My family and I have given this election a lot of thought. > > Our country is in a rough spot, and we’re going to need some serious change. There’s only one candidate ready to deliver it – and that’s Barack Obama. > > Every day I talk to someone else who’s never voted for a Democrat, but now they’re voting for Barack Obama. They realize that Barack understands what we’re going through here in North Carolina. And they’re ready for change. > > So I’ve made up my mind, and I’m ready to get involved. I know that I could never have won a race without my pit crew, and I know Barack can’t win this one without us. > > Can you sign up to volunteer this last crucial week? > > When I talk to folks about why I support Barack, I just tell it like I see it. > > There’s been a lot thrown at him this election, and he’s stayed calm, positive, and focused. I know a little something about how important it is to stay cool under pressure. > > And with all the dangers in our world today, that’s the kind of rock-solid leadership our country needs. > > These days, I run a small country ham and pork skins business. Barack Obama will fight for a fair economy where small businesses like mine have the freedom to grow, and he’ll defend the Second Amendment to protect the hunter’s way of life. > > But the most important reasons I’m speaking out for Barack Obama are named Robert and Meredith, my two children. My wife Lisa and I talked it over, and honestly, we know in our gut that their future is more secure if Barack Obama is president. > > At the end of the day, there’s just nothing more important than that. > > That’s why I’m going to talk to my neighbors this week, and I’m asking you to do the same. This election in North Carolina is going to be one of the closest ever, and we all need to lend a hand. > > Join me by volunteering this week: > > [http://nc.barackobama.com/NC100kHours](http://nc.barackobama.com/NC100kHours) > > I’ve been in a lot of races in my life. But this may be the most important one of all. So let’s all get in gear and win it together. > > Yours, > > Junior Johnson > > P.S. – I know what it means to run an aggressive race, but I also know what it means to compete with integrity. Have you gotten one of these pre-recorded calls that are flooding our state smearing Barack Obama’s character and questioning his patriotism? That’s crossing the line, and North Carolinians deserve better. Help fight back by canvassing this week to tell your neighbors the truth about Barack. That’s it, game over – the original Thunder Road icon is bringing it home! :eek: ETA: For those of you, like me, who didn’t know exactly who he is, here’s [his Wikipedia bio.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junior_Johnson) ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/612 "2008-10-27T15:39:31Z")
I’m in North Carolina, and I just got a recorded call from some chick on Gray’s (Grey’s?) Anatomy endorsing Obama. Heh. So this great state comes down to Nascar drivers and TV stars. Well, if they can win it for Obama, so be it. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/613 "2008-10-27T15:45:47Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Can you link to a story? There was a Pit thread (or was it here?) about this, with the subject line being something along the lines of “Stealing of this election has started.” Or something. Unfortunately, I can’t find it. ETA: Gonna start a new thread on the original question, because I think it deserves it. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/614 "2008-10-27T16:06:53Z")
James Dean in that Mercury ‘49 Junior Johnson runnin’ thru the woods of Caroline Even Burt Reynolds in that black Trans-Am All gonna vote for Obama. Except for James Dean, who can only vote in Chicago. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/615 "2008-10-27T16:11:58Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Believe, **Biggirl** , believe! Why? Because [NASCAR legend Junior Johnson has endorsed Barack Obama!](http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7620893) > > In an email sent by the Obama campaign to North Carolinians (and hopefully to everyone in the Southeast), Junior Johnson comes roaring down the track to the checkered flag for the O-man! > That’s it, game over – the original Thunder Road icon is bringing it home! :eek: > > ETA: For those of you, like me, who didn’t know exactly who he is, here’s [his Wikipedia bio.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junior_Johnson) I really wish I had checked this out before rushing out to call my dad in Alabama. Got a link to anything besides liberal message board forums for this. Now I am worried that it is just chatter and will look foolish. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/616 "2008-10-27T16:14:08Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > What is this thread’s reaction to the widespread\* reports of early-voting votes being flipped from Obama to McCain? > > \*: West Virginia, Ohio, Texas, Tennessee, even non-presidential problems in California Very few counties in California, at least, use electronic voting machines. Ed ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/617 "2008-10-27T16:22:11Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > I really wish I had checked this out before rushing out to call my dad in Alabama. Got a link to anything besides liberal message board forums for this. Now I am worried that it is just chatter and will look foolish. It seems legit - but I don’t see it on any mainstream sources yet. For what it’s worth, [this blog](http://www.indyweekblogs.com/triangulator/2008/10/27/joining-the-obama-pit-crew-junior-johnson/) has the text of the email. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/618 "2008-10-27T16:32:59Z")
> [@Slacker](#): > > It seems legit - but I don’t see it on any mainstream sources yet. For what it’s worth, [this blog](http://www.indyweekblogs.com/triangulator/2008/10/27/joining-the-obama-pit-crew-junior-johnson/) has the text of the email. It’s not posted on Obama’s webpage. One would think they would post this in huge font all over their site. If this is not true I am going to Pit someone…probably myself for not checking cites… ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/619 "2008-10-27T16:34:28Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > It’s not posted on Obama’s webpage. One would think they would post this in huge font all over their site. If this is not true I am going to Pit someone…probably myself for not checking cites… I can forward you the email, if you’d like. Just PM me your email address and I’ll send it on. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/620 "2008-10-27T16:39:24Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > I think there’s probably a mixture or racist Democrats who can’t stand the thought of a black president,…" You think there’s a lot of Liberal Democrats who are racists? I mean, if someone was a racist, the Dems would not be their party of choice, methinks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951.md?page=32)