# McCain not as forked as the McCain Forked thread, but still forked **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 8, 2008, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951 "2008-10-08T03:49:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/621 "2008-10-27T16:42:47Z")
> [@C3](#): > > I can forward you the email, if you’d like. Just PM me your email address and I’ll send it on. Who is listed as the sender? Have you verified it? Look I really really really hope this e-mail is authentic, it just worries me that there has been no press conference nor is it on the Campaign website. Something of this magnitude would normally be coordinated with the Obama campaign and plastered all over the Media. It is hard to believe that with so many votes up for grabs in NASCAR country this would just slip out in an e-mail. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/622 "2008-10-27T16:42:55Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > What is this thread’s reaction to the widespread\* reports of early-voting votes being flipped from Obama to McCain? > > \*: West Virginia, Ohio, Texas, Tennessee, even non-presidential problems in California In TN it wouldn’t matter if they flipped them or not, since Obama’s so far behind McCain here that he hasn’t bothered to campaign here. (AFAIK, his _only_ visit to TN after getting the nomination was for the debate.) ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/623 "2008-10-27T16:57:07Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Who is listed as the sender? Have you verified it? Look I really really really hope this e-mail is authentic, it just worries me that there has been no press conference nor is it on the Campaign website. Something of this magnitude would normally be coordinated with the Obama campaign and plastered all over the Media. It is hard to believe that with so many votes up for grabs in NASCAR country this would just slip out in an e-mail. It says it’s from [nc@barack.com](mailto:nc@barack.com), which is the same address I’ve been getting other emails regarding Obama’s North Carolina campaign. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/624 "2008-10-27T16:58:51Z")
> [@C3](#): > > I can forward you the email, if you’d like. Just PM me your email address and I’ll send it on. Another thing that worries me is I am on the Obama campaign mailing list and get several text and e-mail updates everyday of campaign news. Nothing about this so far. This is like Reagan appearing and endorsing Obama yet nothing besides rumors, and blog posts. I am getting more skeptical by the minute. God I hope I am wrong… ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/625 "2008-10-27T17:00:40Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > Party Unity My Ass (PUMAs). These are women who’re so pissed at Obama getting the nomination, they feel the only proper retribution is to vote for someone who’d be more than happy to have the police meddling in their vaginas (and then no doubt charge them for the “priviledge”). Given that most women I know, _love_ their vaginas, I can’t imagine that the PUMAs are in any way statistically significant. No offense, **Tuckerfan** , but I find the term “PUMA” a wee offensive. It’s basically saying, “If you’re a member of such and such party, you MUST vote for such and such party!” Yes, IF woman are voting for McCain because Palin is a woman, that’s stupid. HOWEVER, to say they should vote for Obama out of some notion of “party loyalty” is equally so. I plan on voting for Tom Corbett for AG here in PA-does that make me a PUMA? Now, not nearly as cool as a cornfield or the seashore, but a friend from work did see an Obama jack-o-lantern at least… ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/626 "2008-10-27T17:03:20Z")
> [@C3](#): > > It says it’s from [nc@barack.com](mailto:nc@barack.com), which is the same address I’ve been getting other emails regarding Obama’s North Carolina campaign. I need to correct this: it’s [nc@barackobama.com](mailto:nc@barackobama.com) ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/627 "2008-10-27T17:07:36Z")
Junior Johnson _is_ a Democrat. His Wikipedia page lists the endorsement. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/628 "2008-10-27T17:12:27Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Junior Johnson _is_ a Democrat. His Wikipedia page lists the endorsement. The wiki article links to…a blog. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/629 "2008-10-27T17:12:30Z")
As i have said, John McCain scares me: -look at his blinking eyes-a dead giveaway 9early onset alzheimers disease) -the bizarre utterances (“let’s kick Russia out of the G-8” -unreality: he thinks it is 1964 -his rantings are really going to lose us friends around the world McCain is just out of it (like Reagan in his 2nd term) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/630 "2008-10-27T17:14:56Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > No offense, **Tuckerfan** , but I find the term “PUMA” a wee offensive. It’s basically saying, “If you’re a member of such and such party, you MUST vote for such and such party!” Yes, IF woman are voting for McCain because Palin is a woman, that’s stupid. HOWEVER, to say they should vote for Obama out of some notion of “party loyalty” is equally so. I plan on voting for Tom Corbett for AG here in PA-does that make me a PUMA? **Tuckerfan** isn’t calling anybody names, he’s using the term they made up for themselves. It means both “People United Means Action” and “Party Unity My Ass.” ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/631 "2008-10-27T17:17:06Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > No offense, **Tuckerfan** , but I find the term “PUMA” a wee offensive. It’s basically saying, “If you’re a member of such and such party, you MUST vote for such and such party!” Yes, IF woman are voting for McCain because Palin is a woman, that’s stupid. HOWEVER, to say they should vote for Obama out of some notion of “party loyalty” is equally so. I plan on voting for Tom Corbett for AG here in PA-does that make me a PUMA? PUMA is a media created term, not my own, and refers _only_ to women who are going to vote for McCain over Obama (or in other ways cast their vote for someone other than Obama) and **not** someone who choses to vote for a candidate other than a Democrat in any contest outside of the Presidential run. Its as stupid and half-witted as the “soccer mom,” “NASCAR dad,” etc. crap that the media comes up with every election. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/632 "2008-10-27T17:17:54Z")
> [@C3](#): > > I need to correct this: it’s [nc@barackobama.com](mailto:nc@barackobama.com) not being a NASCAR fan I don’t know Junior Johnson. Is this really a big deal? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/633 "2008-10-27T17:20:11Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > Its as stupid and half-witted as the “soccer mom,” “NASCAR dad,” etc. crap that the media comes up with every election. To defend the media a little, I think most of these moronic terms - I’d like to add “state park dads” and “security moms” - are coined by political consultants and then picked up by the press. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/634 "2008-10-27T17:21:55Z")
> [@Phlosphr](#): > > not being a NASCAR fan I don’t know Junior Johnson. Is this really a big deal? I’m not a NASCAR fan, either, actually. I’ve heard of Junior Johnson - he’s an old school race car driver, one of the founding fathers of NASCAR. When my 5 year old gets home from school, I’ll ask him - he’s the expert in our household :). Also, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Johnson endorsed Obama - he’s a lifelong Democrat and gave Hillary Clinton the [tour](http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/hpal6L0A8r2/Hillary+Clinton+Campaigns+Ahead+Indiana+North/_lH4qN8OLnA/Junior+Johnson) of the NC Auto Racing Hall of Fame during the primaries. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/635 "2008-10-27T17:40:52Z")
Not trying to be snarky here, but a race car driver endorsing Obama is huge? A race car driver? Why does that hold any more weight than, say, if Don Mattingly (yeah, I’m old) endorses Obama? ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/636 "2008-10-27T17:50:40Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > Not trying to be snarky here, but a race car driver endorsing Obama is huge? A race car driver? Why does that hold any more weight than, say, if Don Mattingly (yeah, I’m old) endorses Obama? Because, in certain parts of the country, the _only_ thing bigger than _Jeeebus_(!) is NASCAR. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/637 "2008-10-27T17:55:07Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > Not trying to be snarky here, but a race car driver endorsing Obama is huge? A race car driver? Why does that hold any more weight than, say, if Don Mattingly (yeah, I’m old) endorses Obama? You have never been to the South have you? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/638 "2008-10-27T18:05:28Z")
Yup, the polls have been swinging Obama’s way for weeks in the South, he got Colin Powell’s endorsement a week ago, but a NASCAR legend, well, THAT’s huge. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/639 "2008-10-27T18:09:24Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Yup, the polls have been swinging Obama’s way for weeks in the South, he got Colin Powell’s endorsement a week ago, but a NASCAR legend, well, THAT’s huge. :rolleyes: Whether it should matter is not the issue. The fact is that a lot of people in the South would care more about Junior Johnsons endorsement than Powells. :rolleyes: indeed. BTW isn’t :rolleyes: frowned on in GD? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/640 "2008-10-27T18:11:16Z")
Not to my knowledge, but I could be wrong. Either way, I think a couple of people here are overstating the importance of endorsement and insulting the intelligence of Southerners. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951.md?page=33)