# McCain not as forked as the McCain Forked thread, but still forked **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 8, 2008, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951 "2008-10-08T03:49:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/681 "2008-10-28T19:51:11Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > What was the gist of their claims? I came in late…just in time for viewer e-mails (blaming bad poll numbers on media bias), and then the commentators made snarky comments that pollsters are like weathermen: often wrong, but we keep coming back to them. Har har. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/682 "2008-10-28T20:36:11Z")
Two things happened today that might have an impact (miniscule, but still) on McCain. One is that his campaign issued a statement calling for Senator Stevens to resign. He’s not the only Republican Senator saying this, but there are probably some Republicans still supporting Stevens, or waiting to see how the court appeals play out before they call for Stevens’ head. The other thing is that it’s raining in Pennsylvania. McCain cancelled his outdoor events but Obama went ahead with his. McCain acts like he’s entitled to our votes – Obama knows he has to earn them. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/683 "2008-10-28T20:58:16Z")
The Republican National Committee’s [website](http://www.gop.com/)seems to be lacking in something…can’t quite put my finger on it. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/684 "2008-10-28T21:01:07Z")
[QUOTE=AuntiePam] The other thing is that it’s raining in Pennsylvania. McCain cancelled his outdoor events but Obama went ahead with his. McCain acts like he’s entitled to our votes – Obama knows he has to earn them. [/QUOTE] Well, he is 72 years old. He really shouldn’t be out in that weather. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/685 "2008-10-28T21:11:20Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > What was the gist of their claims? I heard someone - might have been Rush; I’m not sure - say the other day that polls are to sway opinion, not reflect it. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/686 "2008-10-28T21:14:05Z")
> [@](#): > > The somewhat official-looking flier - it features the state board logo and the state seal - is dated Oct. 24 and indicates that “an emergency session of the General Assembly has adopted the follwing (sic) emergency regulations to ease the load on local electorial (sic) precincts and ensure a fair electorial process.” Doesn’t representing this crap as an official government communication clearly cross the line into outright criminal fraud? ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/687 "2008-10-28T21:14:33Z")
> [@Lantern](#): > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/28/us/politics/28pollsite.html?\_r=1&ref=technology&oref=slogin](http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/28/us/politics/28pollsite.html?_r=1&ref=technology&oref=slogin) > > An article on polling sites which I am sure will be of interest to readers of this thread. > > My favorite bit: > > ``` > Of course I personally am not the least bit like that. > > ``` 😕 My name is not Noah, and I don’t go to Georgetown. Hell, I don’t even live in D.C.! ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/688 "2008-10-28T21:16:11Z")
> [@steve mb](#): > > doesn’t representing this crap as an official government communication clearly cross the line into outright criminal fraud? iokiyaar ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/689 "2008-10-28T21:19:11Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Georgia has also been downgraded to merely leaning McCain. Having that repeatedly reported as “too close to call”\* while the West Coast is still voting certainly wouldn’t be helpful for the Republicans… > > \*I don’t expect Georgia to actually flip to the Obama column, but who knows? … Long lines at Georgia polls again today. The polling place to which I was assigned had approximately 500 people in line at 4:00 p.m., and the prevailing sentiment among voters is that they don’t care how long they have to wait. (Lines are moving more quickly today, though. One lady told me she was able to get through the line in about 2 hours earlier in the day.) ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/690 "2008-10-28T21:49:59Z")
From LA Times/Bloomberg, among likely voters: **Ohio: Obama 49, McCain 40** **Florida: Obama 50, McCain 43** _Dates conducted: Oct. 25-27. Error margin: 4 points._ [http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/28/la-timesbloomberg-obama-ahead-in-buckeye-sunshine-states/](http://thepage.time.com/2008/10/28/la-timesbloomberg-obama-ahead-in-buckeye-sunshine-states/) ---
**Author:** ![stolichnaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@stolichnaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolichnaya)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/691 "2008-10-28T21:55:06Z")
Like to see that 50. More of those, please. Undecideds can do whatever they want if that 50 is there. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/692 "2008-10-28T21:59:36Z")
> [@](#): > > doesn’t representing this crap as an official government communication clearly cross the line into outright criminal fraud? Almost certainly. But you can’t prosecute if you don’t know who did it. Sure, sure, “the Republicans”, but you need to be a little more specific than that. Now, if we had some eyewitnesses, or camera footage, I’d love to see whomever did this thrown into jail, but unfortunately, we don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/693 "2008-10-28T22:04:44Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Almost certainly. But you can’t prosecute if you don’t know who did it. Sure, sure, “the Republicans”, but you need to be a little more specific than that. From one of the blurbs on CNN’s ticker: > [@](#): > > The Virginia State Police refused to comment on the flier because it is part of an “ongoing criminal investigation.” For what it’s worth. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/694 "2008-10-28T22:05:45Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Doesn’t representing this crap as an official government communication clearly cross the line into outright criminal fraud? Yes, and it says so in the article: > [@](#): > > “It’s not even on our letterhead; they just copied the logo from our Web site,” said agency staffer Ryan Enright, noting the flier has been forwarded to State Police for investigation as a possible incident of voter intimidation. > > … > > In 2007, the General Assembly passed a law making it a Class 1 misdemeanor to knowingly communicate false information to registered voters about the date, time and place of the election or voters’ precincts, polling places or voter registration statuses in order to impede their voting. The measure is one of the few such deceptive voting practice laws in the country, according to the watchdog group Common Cause. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/695 "2008-10-28T22:34:39Z")
> [@C3](#): > > The Republican National Committee’s [website](http://www.gop.com/)seems to be lacking in something…can’t quite put my finger on it. It’s all Obama, all the time, now! ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/696 "2008-10-28T22:38:11Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Fox News just did a segment on why the polls are biased, misleading, meaningless and/or wrong. 🙂 The sense of desperation is becoming palpable. While driving my 12 year old to the Doctor yesterday, one of the right-wing-nuts on the radio was saying “Next week, you can kiss freedom goodbye. Next week, you can say goodbye to the Constitution and freedom of speech. Next week, our radio shows will be off the air…” etc. My DD asked “Are these radio people nuts?” Of course, I said “Yes!” ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/697 "2008-10-28T22:54:09Z")
> [@C3](#): > > The Republican National Committee’s [website](http://www.gop.com/)seems to be lacking in something…can’t quite put my finger on it. I diaried over at [DailyKos](http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/14/1269/36408/656/567841) about the GOP website’s lack of McCain back in August. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/698 "2008-10-28T23:44:03Z")
**spoke-** , thanks for the GA early voting updates. Keep 'em coming! Not that I think newspaper endorsements mean a hill of beans, but I find this interesting, nonetheless. . . [26 Papers That Backed Bush in 2004 Move to Obama](http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003875870) ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/699 "2008-10-28T23:51:54Z")
This is what has me up at night, worried, worried, worried… voting blocking by the Reps. [anythingtowin](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#27313887) I am now a bit uneasy about voting on Nov 4. The only reasons I am sticking with it that I live in IL and I have no clue how to vote early here. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2008, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/700 "2008-10-28T23:57:46Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > The only reasons I am sticking with it that I live in IL and I have no clue how to vote early here. Find your county [here](http://www.elections.state.il.us/VotingInformation/EarlyVotingLocations.aspx) and show up. Don’t dawdle, early voting in Illinois ends Thursday. You’ll need a photo ID. [Here’s](http://www.elections.state.il.us/Downloads/ElectionInformation/PDF/EarlyVoting.pdf) a (2 page pdf) pamphlet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951.md?page=36)