# McCain not as forked as the McCain Forked thread, but still forked **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 8, 2008, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951 "2008-10-08T03:49:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![xanthous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/53a042/32.png) [@xanthous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xanthous)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/701 "2008-10-29T00:21:16Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > This is what has me up at night, worried, worried, worried… voting blocking by the Reps. > > [anythingtowin](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#27313887) This really makes me want to hurl. This is why I’m using the words “if” and “hope” exclusively for the next week. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/702 "2008-10-29T00:24:10Z")
On a day when McCain canceled events due to rain, [this is what Obama was doing](http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/516/slide_516_11374_large.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/703 "2008-10-29T00:26:02Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > On a day when McCain canceled events due to rain, [this is what Obama was doing](http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/516/slide_516_11374_large.jpg) In fairness, remember William Henry Harrison? McCain does. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/704 "2008-10-29T00:35:05Z")
Also, I think it was just raining where Obama was, and may have been snowing where McCain was. Much as I can’t stand him, I also don’t want to see him die of pneumonia, either. [Pew: Obama Leads By 19 Among Already Voted](http://donklephant.com/2008/10/28/pew-obama-leads-by-19-among-already-voted/) > [@](#): > > . . . > > Obama holds a 53% to 34% lead among the sizable minority of voters (15%) who say they have already voted. > > Among those who plan to vote early but have not yet voted (16% of voters), 56% support Obama, while 37% support McCain. > > And some more numbers that should scare McCain… [ul] > [li]Obama leads in battleground states 53% to 35%[/li][li]Obama leads in Democratic states 57% to 31%[/li][li]And the bombshell…Obama leads in Republican states, 47% to 43%[/li][/ul] In addition to Texas, other “Red” states I predict will go Blue: Georgia Montana North Dakota Kentucky ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/705 "2008-10-29T00:46:34Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Also, I think it was just raining where Obama was, and may have been snowing where McCain was. Much as I can’t stand him, I also don’t want to see him die of pneumonia, either. The way McCain’s campaign has been completely snakebit lately, it was probably hailing frozen balls of human shit. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/706 "2008-10-29T00:46:53Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > In addition to Texas, other “Red” states I predict will go Blue: > > Georgia > Montana > North Dakota > Kentucky I’ll cheerfully bet you that both Texas and Kentucky go for McCain. The other three, you never know. But I’m delighted to see the RNC throwing money into Montana at the last minute. > [@jsc1953](#): > > Fox News just did a segment on why the polls are biased, misleading, meaningless and/or wrong. 🙂 The sense of desperation is becoming palpable. Kinda like Southerners in early 1865, excitedly reading Arthur Fremantle’s _[Three Months in the Southern States](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Fremantle#Return_to_England)_, and its predictions of a certain Confederate victory. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/707 "2008-10-29T01:04:26Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > This is what has me up at night, worried, worried, worried… voting blocking by the Reps. > > [anythingtowin](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#27313887) > I am now a bit uneasy about voting on Nov 4. The only reasons I am sticking with it that I live in IL and I have no clue how to vote early here. Is there any way to get a transcript or something? My computer has issues with sound sometimes and I’m not getting it to work right now. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/708 "2008-10-29T01:11:00Z")
> [@waterj2](#): > > Is there any way to get a transcript or something? My computer has issues with sound sometimes and I’m not getting it to work right now. I can’t link to a transcript, but here’s an article that started Rachel Maddow talking: [http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23638322/block\_the\_vote/print](http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23638322/block_the_vote/print) ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/709 "2008-10-29T01:36:24Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > [Texas] > Georgia > Montana > North Dakota > Kentucky Montana and North Dakota are possible. Georgia is doable, though tough. But Texas? Kentucky? I’m sorry, but that’s just not going to happen. Of late, McCain has maintained a lead of more than ten percent in each state, substantially so in KY’s case. Now, maybe the Texas polls are underestimating how much minority and white support Obama has, and maybe they also underestimate the turnout, and a 5% change in all three of those might be enough to make it close. But Kentucky has only 8% blacks, and that’s just not enough to win a state that conservative. I think this is one of the states Clinton won that Obama just can’t. Not this time, and probably not next time either. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/710 "2008-10-29T01:37:20Z")
I’m actually trying to decide if voting early is the way to go this year. I posted in another thread that voting is a ritual for me - I always show up at about 6:30 a.m. and proudly wear my “I Voted” sticker all day, but I’m starting to wonder if it’s a better thing this year to vote early. Any other Colorado voters have any advice or personal experiences to share? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/711 "2008-10-29T01:40:32Z")
[The campaign is apparently still chipper.](http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZWNjMTI0M2U0YmE3MmVjNzNjN2E3MjY0NWU4MTY3MWQ=) Odd thing, too: one poll shows him within seven in Pennsylvania, and that’s touted by the conservative commenter who passed on the info as a GOOD thing. Isn’t that still pretty far behind for a week away? Is it a sign of desperately needing good news? ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/712 "2008-10-29T01:55:06Z")
[Oops.](http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/10/28/mccain-obama-trade-blows-over-health-care/) > [@](#): > > One of the concerns about this plan is that young, healthy people would flee their workplace programs and get insurance on the open market on their own. Asked about this by [CNNMoney.com](http://CNNMoney.com), Holtz-Eakin tried to reassure: “Why would they leave?” he said. “What they are getting from their employer is way better than what they could get with the credit.” IIRC, some people have pointed out that it’d be quite likely under the McCain plan that employers would ditch their health insurance plans and tell the employees to buy theirs on the “open market.” ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/713 "2008-10-29T02:40:03Z")
Can you say [chappaquiddick?](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/news-orgs-investigate-pos_n_138449.html) This probably won’t be resolved in time for the election but if it turns out to be true then the next asshole who mentions Chappaquiddick is going to get nut punched… from the article: > [@](#): > > For the past two months, a major American magazine and an allied news service have been engaged in a legal battle with the United States Navy over records that they believe show that John McCain once was involved in an automobile accident that injured or, perhaps, killed another individual. > > Vanity Fair magazine and the National Security News Service claim to have knowledge “developed from first-hand sources” of a car crash that involved then-Lt. McCain at the main gate of a Virginia naval base in 1964, according to legal filings. The incident has been largely, if not entirely, kept from the public. And in documents suing the Navy to release pertinent information, lawyers for the NS News Service allege that a cover-up may be at play ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/714 "2008-10-29T02:54:53Z")
Just another comment to those who see the polls “tightening” … look at those RCP graphs, especially the lower one that shows the spread. Some vaciallating up and down but pretty damn stable for all of October. Mainly a gradual increase in Obama’s numbers with McCain’s numbers having some better and some worse days. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/715 "2008-10-29T03:03:52Z")
Apologies if someone has already linked to this, but I thought it was neat: [2008 Early Voting statistics](http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2008.html) ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/716 "2008-10-29T03:10:57Z")
And by the way, I have found, officially, the wingnuttiest of the wingnutty right-wing blogs. Behold the majesty that is [Victoria Jackson](http://www.victoriajackson.com/) (of SNL fame): > [@](#): > > Thank you President George W. Bush along with God above and the brave soldiers in the US military for keeping us safe, these last 7 years, from terrorist attacks on our homeland. I really appreciate it very much. xxoo You did a Great job! > > And, Thank you God above for giving us George W. Bush, and for giving us John McCain and Sarah Palin. Okay, maybe not the wingnuttiest, but pretty nutty. ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/717 "2008-10-29T03:41:36Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > And by the way, I have found, officially, the wingnuttiest of the wingnutty right-wing blogs. > > Behold the majesty that is [Victoria Jackson](http://www.victoriajackson.com/) (of SNL fame)… Holy shnikes. I kept thinking I’d get to the part where she says “ROFL JK LOLOL!” but it never came. I love how in one sentence she say Barack is a Muslim Commie Terrorist, and in the next chastizes the rest of us for not being smart enough to notice. :smack::smack::smack: ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/718 "2008-10-29T03:50:20Z")
> [@xanthous](#): > > This really makes me want to hurl. This is why I’m using the words “if” and “hope” exclusively for the next week. I maintain that all swing states where Obama is leading that are governed by Republicans will be won by McCain through voter suppression. There’s no doubt in my mind the Republicans plan massive fraud. Fortunately, a few swing states are held by Democratic governors, will run reasonably fair elections, and Obama will likely win anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Renee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/renee/32/287_2.png) [@Renee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Renee)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/719 "2008-10-29T04:06:16Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I maintain that all swing states where Obama is leading that are governed by Republicans will be won by McCain through voter suppression. There’s no doubt in my mind the Republicans plan massive fraud. I don’t think so. [Crist just extended Florida’s early voting hours](http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/10/28/early-voting-update-governor-extends-early-voting-in-florida/), which has been criticized by republicans as giving the election to Obama. I think most politicians know that Obama is going to win this thing no matter what they do, and they won’t risk being caught cheating for a hopeless cause. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2008, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/720 "2008-10-29T04:07:07Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I maintain that all swing states where Obama is leading that are governed by Republicans will be won by McCain through voter suppression. There’s no doubt in my mind the Republicans plan massive fraud. > > Fortunately, a few swing states are held by Democratic governors, will run reasonably fair elections, and Obama will likely win anyway. You mean like the Republican Governor of Florida who just extended voting hours to allow as many people as possible to vote? I agree that voter suppression by Repubs is a problem. But just look at the McCain campaign, do you really think they have their shit together like Rove and Co. did? Do you think the republican party is organized and well disciplined enough to succeed? Do you think Obama and his five thousand lawyers are so incompetent that they will be defeated by a bunch of transparent incompetent fucks? Don’t get me wrong I really really really think voter suppression is happening and it is a real problem but I also think you are being a tad mellow dramatic… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951.md?page=37)