# McCain not as forked as the McCain Forked thread, but still forked **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 8, 2008, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951 "2008-10-08T03:49:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/861 "2008-10-31T03:43:40Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > There’s a cute ESPN piece where one of the ESPN guys did a week of fantasy football with Obama. He appears to know his football. I meant McCain. The Rams originated in Cleveland and moved to LA in 1945. So it was a lame ageist thing. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/862 "2008-10-31T03:46:21Z")
For McCain is Forked, does anything beat the fact that Stephen Colbert endorsed him last night? ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/863 "2008-10-31T03:47:38Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > For McCain is Forked, does anything beat the fact that Stephen Colbert endorsed him last night? He “endorsed” Obama because he wanted to the attention that “conservatives” get for endorsing Obama. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/864 "2008-10-31T03:48:46Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Do we have a plan in place to help out all the out of work pollsters that will be put out of jobs on Nov. 5th? I already got a call about who I’d vote for between Obama/Biden and Palin/Bachmann in 2012. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/865 "2008-10-31T04:08:36Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > He “endorsed” Obama because he wanted to the attention that “conservatives” get for endorsing Obama. Yes, and? (I did see the episode.) He’s jumping on the bandwagon. The bandwagon for Obama. You know, the guys who’s not forked? ---
**Author:** ![Renee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/renee/32/287_2.png) [@Renee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Renee)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/866 "2008-10-31T04:40:36Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > For McCain is Forked, does anything beat the fact that Stephen Colbert endorsed him last night? It sounds like you’re saying here that Colbert endorsed McCain. Cricetus was correcting you, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/867 "2008-10-31T04:47:20Z")
> [@Renee](#): > > It sounds like you’re saying here that Colbert endorsed McCain. Cricetus was correcting you, I think. Ah … I see. Colbert endorsed Obama! Meaning further McCain forkage. In a sense. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/868 "2008-10-31T05:21:06Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > I already got a call about who I’d vote for between Obama/Biden and Palin/Bachmann in 2012. Hah! Never happen. If McCain loses next Tuesday, Palin is going back to Anchorage with her Negro fearin’, Gay hatin’, gun lovin’ supporters to form the Alaska First party. You betcha! ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/869 "2008-10-31T05:29:52Z")
Some other unexpected endorsements: Tom Metzger - Director, White Aryan Resistance; former Grand Dragon of Ku Klux Klan. “The corporations are running things now, so it’s not going to make much difference who’s in there, but McCain would be much worse. He’s a warmonger. He’s a scary, scary person–more dangerous than Bush.” Rocky Suhayda - Chairman, American Nazi Party. “White people are faced with either a negro or a total nutter who happens to have a pale face. Personally I’d prefer the negro. National Socialists are not mindless haters. Here, I see a white man, who is almost dead, who declares he wants to fight endless wars around the globe to make the world safe for Judeo-capitalist exploitation, who supports the invasion of America by illegals–basically a continuation of the last eight years of Emperor Bush. Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women–when usually negroes who have ‘made it’ immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize–that’s the kind of negro that I can respect.” > **[Why White Supremacists Support Barack Obama](https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a4719/racists-support-obama-061308/)** > > After James von Brunn's crime at the Holocaust Museum, re-introduce yourself to the five hate-mongers we met during the campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Renee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/renee/32/287_2.png) [@Renee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Renee)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/870 "2008-10-31T06:03:51Z")
> [@](#): > > I see a white man, who is almost dead, Ha! For some reason that cracked me up. But what a loon. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/871 "2008-10-31T06:15:56Z")
Wow. I just read an online poll hosted on a conservative blog; I voted just so I could see the results. I was curious as to the mood of its readership. The four possible choices were the four combinations of Obama and McCain winning or losing both popular vote and electoral college. I was pretty surprised at the results. Over 60% of this blog’s readers think McCain is going to win. I suppose I shouldn’t have been surprised, but I have to wonder: are they reading the same polls as the rest of us (though here, I can at least begin to understand the minority - about 12% - who voted that Obama wins popular but McCain wins EC)? Do they think said polls are hopelessly bogus or tilted by the MSM? Do they think that if they just yell “campaign finance fraud terrorist socialist” loudly enough, that eventually, the public will finally listen and “come to their senses”? Where the heck are they getting this confidence? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/872 "2008-10-31T06:23:26Z")
> [@](#): > > …Then, we have a black man, who loves his own kind, belongs to a Black-Nationalist religion, is married to a black women–when usually negroes who have ‘made it’ immediately land a white spouse as a kind of prize–that’s the kind of negro that I can respect." So, essentially, if you feed this backwards through the racist filter, what he’s saying is that he respects Obama because he’s not an elitist. Yeah, McCain’s talking points have gone over _real_ well… ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/873 "2008-10-31T06:31:10Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Do they think said polls are hopelessly bogus or tilted by the MSM? Do they think that if they just yell “campaign finance fraud terrorist socialist” loudly enough, that eventually, the public will finally listen and “come to their senses”? Where the heck are they getting this confidence? This seems like religious fervor to me. Because Conservative Republicans seem incapable of accepting facts that don’t conform to their slanted world view, they’re going to go to bed Tuesday night confident, all evidence to the contrary, that McCain will clobber Obama. My fear is when they wake up Wednesday morning, if Obama pulls off a victory, and by a wide margin, many of these folks’ corks will absolutely pop. ---
**Author:** ![Greg\_Charles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Greg\_Charles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greg_Charles)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/874 "2008-10-31T07:26:48Z")
People answer polls like that with what they want to be true, not what they actually believe. Some people will definitely be disappointed on Nov. 5, but I don’t see many being completely shocked by a McCain loss. (However, I’m sure there will be a few crazies yelling about conspiracies, whichever way things fall. If McCain wins, I might be one of them!) ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/875 "2008-10-31T08:24:50Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > **Captain Carrot** , caught it. > > Almost as embarrassing as his Meet the Press interview, where he had trouble naming the five former Secretaries of State who have endorsed him. He tried twice – got four of them – then dropped it, then blurted it out a minute later in the midst of another question. “George Schulz! That’s the other one!” Just like my grandpa used to do when something was on the tip of his tongue. One of those former Secretaries of State doesn’t seem to like Palin much. > [@](#): > > [Eagleburger Blisters Palin: “Of Course” She’s Not Ready](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/31/eagleburger-blisters-pali_n_139524.html) > > … > Lawrence Eagleburger, who served as Secretary of State under George H.W. Bush and whose endorsement is often trumpeted by McCain, said on Thursday that the Alaska governor is not only unprepared to take over the job on a moment’s notice but, even after some time in office, would only amount to an “adequate” commander in chief. > > “And I devoutly hope that [she] would never be tested,” he added for good measure – referring both to Palin’s policy dexterity and the idea of McCain not making it through his time in office. (Listen to audio below.) > > The remarks took place during an interview on National Public Radio that was, ironically, billed as “making the case” for a McCain presidency. \*\*Asked by the host whether Palin could step in during a time of crisis, Eagleburger reverted to sarcasm before leveling the harsh blow. > > “It is a very good question,” he said, pausing a few seconds, then adding with a chuckle: “I’m being facetious here. Look, of course not.”\*\* > > Eagleburger explained: "I don’t think at the moment she is prepared to take over the reigns of the presidency. I can name for you any number of other vice presidents who were not particularly up to it either. So the question, I think, is can she learn and would she be tough enough under the circumstances if she were asked to become president, heaven forbid that that ever takes place? > > “Give her some time in the office and I think the answer would be, she will be [pause] adequate. I can’t say that she would be a genius in the job. But I think she would be enough to get us through a four year… well I hope not… get us through whatever period of time was necessary. And I devoutly hope that it would never be tested.” > > The indictment of Palin was all the more biting because both she and McCain have held Eagleburger up repeatedly during the past several weeks as evidence that the Republican ticket has firm standing and support within foreign policy circles. (In fact, McCain conferred with Eagleburger by phone just this week, on matters pertaining to national security.) > > … That’s gotta sting. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/876 "2008-10-31T08:47:26Z")
I don’t understand [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/30/rick-sanchez-v-michael-go\_n\_139357.html](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/30/rick-sanchez-v-michael-go_n_139357.html). Apparently McCain’s latest tactic is to attack Obama for appearing at a dinner together with some Palestinian academic who is critical of Israel. On CNN, his spokesman Michael Goldfarb has this exchange: > [@](#): > > SANCHEZ: Now, is the – I need to parse this out as best I can from you, Michael. The fact that John McCain’s organization gave $448,000 to this group that was founded by Mr. Khalidi, is there no reason for some to be critical of as well just as some might be critical of Barack Obama for being at a meeting with some girl read a poem for example? > GOLDFARB: Look. You are missing the point again, Rick. The point is that Barack Obama has a long track record of being around anti-Semitic and anti-Israel and anti-American rhetoric. > > SANCHEZ: Can you name one other person besides Khalidi who he hangs around that is anti-Semitic? > > Story continues below > > GOLDFARB: Yes, he pals around with William Ayers. > > SANCHEZ: No, no, the question I asked you is that can you name one other person who he hangs around with who is anti-Semitic? Because that is what you said. > > GOLDFARB: Look, we know there are people who Barack Obama has been in hot water– > > SANCHEZ: Michael, I asked you the name one person. One. > > GOLDFARB: Rick – > > SANCHEZ: You said he hangs around with people who are anti-Semitic. Okay. Khalidi and name other people that we all know about? > > GOLDFARB: And rick, we both know who number two is. > > SANCHEZ: Who? Would you tell us? > > GOLDFARB: No, Rick, I think we all know who we are talking about here. > > SANCHEZ: Somebody who is anti-Semitic that he hangs around with. > > GOLDFARB: I think we all know who we are talking about. > > SANCHEZ: Say it. > > GOLDFARB: I think we all know who we’re talking about, rick. > > SANCHEZ: Well, you say that his policies differ from Barack Obama and many other people, and either way, we have the leave it at that. Who is Goldfarb referring to? Or is it one of those things that’s left to the imagination? Why won’t he come out and say it? ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/877 "2008-10-31T09:24:56Z")
Damn, was I the only one who didn’t know that Obama’s father was Malcolm X?? How the hell did I miss that one? You’d think McCain and Palin would mention it. They might still. They have 5 days. > [@](#): > > [Nutter Theory #482](http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html) > > … > Drunk on radical ideology, Stanley “Ann” Dunham became pregnant in the summer of 1960 in Seattle WA with the baby of a prominent black liberal activist. > > … > > The physical mannerisms and speech cadence and tonal quality of Malcolm X have an uncanny resemblance to Barack Hussein Obama Jr. Check it out. This person seems to have an awful lot of time on their hands. I couldn’t read through the whole thing but I did skim through to the end, where it says… > [@](#): > > BUT those same liberals wake up and go nuts when an author uses an allegorical tool implying a salacious titillating teaser. **While Malcolm X may not be Obama’s biological father** , Malcolm X is demonstrably Barack Hussein Obama’s philosophical father, and the lineage is undeniable! Obama Jr. was sired in the social soup stirred by Malcolm X. Now read the whole article and really WAKE UP. I’ve taken to reading Comments so I can feel superior, and it’s quite depressing to see how far off the deep end some people are. On another site, elsewhere, I was reading a [conservative blog](http://www.thenextright.com/patrick-ruffini/stop-the-circular-firing-squad) a while ago and came across this in the Comments section: > [@](#): > > Win the election! > > Submitted by JakeD on Mon, 10/27/2008 - 12:38. > > Regardless, Barack HUSSEIN Obama will not be sworn in as President on January 20, 2009. Credit where due though. Nice that the next poster took him to task: > [@](#): > > Who’s going to shoot him? You? > > Submitted by Anderson on Mon, 10/27/2008 - 17:48. > > So, EVEN IF he’s elected, he won’t be sworn in? > > I realize this is the natural result of the McCain campaign – which hasn’t run on “we’re Republicans and we’re better than the Democrat, because of X, Y, and Z” but rather on “Stop the scary black Muslim terrorist!” – but still, it’s depressing to see how well some have picked up on the message. > > I shudder to think of how many people share JakeD’s resolve Comments on a YouTube video (I don’t have the link right offhand) led me to some guy who floated the suggestion that some guy he heard of who got shot execution style just happened to be the same guy who said he had a gay affair with Obama. Oh, he wasn’t saying that Obama is gay or was involved in the execution or anything, but it was written in a ‘things that make you go hmmmm’ way. Yeah, we’re going to have to put up with this crap because the nutters won’t automatically get sane as soon as they’ve come to grips with McCain losing. They’ll get even more freaked out. The number of them is probably larger than it needs to be because of McCain and Palin’s bullshit during the campaign. ---
**Author:** ![Greg\_Charles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Greg\_Charles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greg_Charles)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/878 "2008-10-31T11:37:33Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > Who is Goldfarb referring to? Or is it one of those things that’s left to the imagination? Why won’t he come out and say it? Wow, that was really pathetic. Goldfarb had nothing, knew he had nothing, and knew Sanchez knew he had nothing … and yet he just kept grinning like it didn’t matter. And to a certain segment of the population, it probably doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/879 "2008-10-31T12:38:21Z")
> [@Greg\_Charles](#): > > Wow, that was really pathetic. Goldfarb had nothing, knew he had nothing, and knew Sanchez knew he had nothing … and yet he just kept grinning like it didn’t matter. And to a certain segment of the population, it probably doesn’t. I figured he was trying to coyly refer to Wright. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/880 "2008-10-31T12:39:47Z")
> [@TWDuke](#): > > Some other unexpected endorsements: > > Tom Metzger - Director, White Aryan Resistance; former Grand Dragon of Ku Klux Klan. \ > > Rocky Suhayda - Chairman, American Nazi Party. \ > > [http://www.esquire.com/print-this/racists-support-obama-061308](http://www.esquire.com/print-this/racists-support-obama-061308) :eek: Uh, :eek:. I’m just not really sure how to wrap my head around this. Every day, when I think I’ve become acculturated to the craziness of this election, something comes along that just defies my ability to understand. Is this good news, bad news, or WTF? This is like something out of _Mother Night_. By the way, the white supremecists are anti-war? Who knew? My work filter blocks _Esquire_ (for “provacative attire”), so I won’t be able to read the whole link till I get home. Freaky. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951.md?page=45)