# McCain not as forked as the McCain Forked thread, but still forked **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 8, 2008, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951 "2008-10-08T03:49:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1141 "2008-11-04T00:20:41Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > That’s incredible. I had no idea Wyoming had a paper. You jest but in truth most of southern Wyoming is taken care of by Colorado papers. The [Star-Tribune](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casper_Star-Tribune) is Wyoming’s largest circulation paper (daily 30,745) and the only one distributed statewide. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1142 "2008-11-04T00:27:14Z")
i saw our center city philly headquarters on cnn! it is really surreal to see the place i spend my days in on cnn. with people i know talking! i’m with ya 5-4 fighting. i’ve been at the obama office since i got laid off. good group of people and keeps me out of trouble. perhaps i’ll see you there tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1143 "2008-11-04T00:31:10Z")
oop, nearly forgot! sun. night the gov. of montana was on ms maddow’s show. he believes that montana will go blue. his theory? that the undecideds in his state and other western states will break for barr, not mccain. he feels that many in the mountain west lean toward the libertarian side. interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1144 "2008-11-04T00:34:40Z")
> [@Eva\_Luna](#): > > My boss, and all but 2 of the attorneys in my practice group, are in FL right now working the election. The boss called in and reported that tons of newly registered voters (most of whom are probably Obama voters) haven’t received their registration cards in the mail yet, and are under the impression that they can’t vote without the registration cards. > > Yes, it’s sad that there are so many misconceptions floating around the voting-age population about these things. But why haven’t the damn cards arrived? Huh, maybe they’re moldering in some ditch somewhere. > [@](#): > > [Voter docs found on Tampa highway](http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7779138&version=7&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1) > > TAMPA - Election Day isn’t even here yet, but we already have our first voting mystery. Thousands of pages of voter information were found lying along the shoulder of Interstate 4 this morning. > > The papers, all with information about Hillsborough County voters, have been cleaned up and taken to a Department of Transportation maintenance facility for now, but voting officials still don’t know where they came from. > > Transportation workers spotted the nine bags of documents on their traffic cameras along a ramp off I-4 and I-275. > > The Hillsborough County supervisor of elections says it did not come from his office, but looks like it may have come from a campaign office or a grassroots effort which drives voters to polling paces. The documents contain names, addresses, phone numbers, and party affiliation, and if the voter needs a ride. > > Transportation officials have called the Florida Division of Elections to see if the state office wants to investigate, and are waiting back for a response. If not, the plan is to shred the documents this afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1145 "2008-11-04T00:39:14Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > i saw our center city philly headquarters on cnn! it is really surreal to see the place i spend my days in on cnn. with people i know talking! > > i’m with ya 5-4 fighting. i’ve been at the obama office since i got laid off. good group of people and keeps me out of trouble. > > perhaps i’ll see you there tomorrow. [off-topic] I’ll be in North Philly, around Allegheny, N. Broad, etc. (I’m still figuring out the City). [off-topic] [way off-topic] Oh! I forgot to tell you guys. We’ve been having a lot of foreign journalists who’ve been shadowing the groups from New York to Philadelphia and covering the campaign and election in general. I was interviewed and may end up on Parisian TV! [way off-topic] ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1146 "2008-11-04T00:58:19Z")
woo, cool, you may get a call from the french prime minister! you will be quite a bit away from where i am. think central park (as n. broad) and mid town (where c.c. office is). i’ll face north and wave though! ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1147 "2008-11-04T02:20:32Z")
The first thing I think a Democratic Congress needs to do is establish a federal law against election tampering. From what I read about the Virginia case (where the official seal was used in a document to tell Democrats not to vote on Tuesday), Virginia is one of the few places where such tactics are actually illegal. It should be a **federal** crime to interfere with an election, to publish misinformation about a candidate’s positions or about election locations and times. It’s just completely disgusting to me that anybody thinks miseducating voters is in any way democratic. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1148 "2008-11-04T02:47:08Z")
Quoth **Liberal** : > [@](#): > > I’ve been through lots of presidential campaigns, and the victory has always gone to the better mud-slinger. This is the first time, in my memory, that it has backfired time and time again — on McCain. The more personal his attacks become, the more people move toward Obama. That’s because Obama is made of rubber, and McCain is made of glue. ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1149 "2008-11-04T02:54:34Z")
Speaking of weird… I’m in Columbus, Ohio and of course I’ve been getting a LOT of calls from the Obama campaign workers. Today my phone rang and the CallID had an abbreviated form of Planned Parenthood. I answered the phone and a woman identified herself as from the Obama campaign and went through the normal GOTV type stuff. Then when she gave me my polling location, it was wrong. Dead wrong. Not the location next to mine, or even near mine… but completely wrong part of town wrong. Didn’t think much of it at the time as I have my card from the board of elections with the location but considering some of the things people are now starting to report it makes me wonder. Oh, and I got a door hanger today from the Obama campaign including the CORRECT location for me. MeanJoe ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1150 "2008-11-04T02:58:53Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > Speaking of weird… I’m in Columbus, Ohio and of course I’ve been getting a LOT of calls from the Obama campaign workers. Today my phone rang and the CallID had an abbreviated form of Planned Parenthood. Caller ID can be spoofed, and I’m not sure if its legal for the folks at PP to be making election related calls. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1151 "2008-11-04T02:59:59Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > That’s incredible. I had no idea Wyoming had a paper. Of course they do. It’s even legal-sized! (though they keep it in the governor’s house for safekeeping) 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Greg\_Charles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Greg\_Charles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greg_Charles)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1152 "2008-11-04T03:13:02Z")
25 hours to go until the final polls are closed (well, 26 for Alaska). My stomach is tied in knots. Thanks to all the GOTV people. 538 quotes the St. Crispin day speech today. I wish I could be there standing with you band of brothers (and sisters). Again, heartfelt thanks to you all! ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1153 "2008-11-04T03:23:41Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > Caller ID can be spoofed, and I’m not sure if its legal for the folks at PP to be making election related calls. I just checked my CallerID - “PLANNED PARENT” is what showed up. I’ve been disenfranchised! :eek: 😃 MeanJoe ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1154 "2008-11-04T03:31:47Z")
According to Rasmussen, [McCain is now slightly leading in several states he was slightly behind in.](http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/03/foxrasmussen-battleground-polls-tightening/) That probably explains this other article in the same blog, about how the McCain campaign is [“more enthusiastic than ever.”](http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/03/carl-cameron-optimism-growing-inside-mccain-camp/) ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1155 "2008-11-04T03:45:14Z")
> [@Greg\_Charles](#): > > 538 quotes the St. Crispin day speech today. Sometimes we just need to be reminded. > [@Willie the Shake](#): > > We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; > For he to-day that sheds his blood with me > Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile, > This day shall gentle his condition; > And gentlemen in England now-a-bed > Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here, > And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks > That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day. Yeah, it’s probably kinda hokey to some of the youngins, and VERY hokey to the more cynical, but I have seen such power in the dreams of so many that tomorrow may be the St Crispian’s Day of modern politics, where entire populations are lifted from their base estates to say, “America is OURS TOO!” I never expected to live to see this. God bless all you forkers! On the other hand, a year from now it’ll probably be politics as usual. So it goes. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1156 "2008-11-04T03:56:34Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Hard to believe 2000 was only eight years ago and already people forget the Katherine Harris SCOTUS drama. You know those 8 to 10 hour lines you see in the news? They are not in heavily Republican areas. How many people do you think will have to abandon their place in line to get to work. You are right voter fraud is not an issue. Voter suppression is a very real issue. Oh no, I’ve not forgotten Katherine Harris. > [@DSeid](#): > > Are you open to the possibility that there are long lines for early voting in Democratic areas because there are so many voting for Obama and not so long in GOP strongholds because many of the GOP are not bothering to vote, let alone to vote early? Especially if it means waiting in any kind of line. Is it still a truism that the heavier the turnout, the better the Democrats tend to do? I recall that was why the Republican Party was presumably so much against the “motor votor” laws that would automatically register one to vote upon getting a driver’s license. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1157 "2008-11-04T03:58:05Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > According to Rasmussen, [McCain is now slightly leading in several states he was slightly behind in.](http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/03/foxrasmussen-battleground-polls-tightening/) > > That probably explains this other article in the same blog, about how the McCain campaign is [“more enthusiastic than ever.”](http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/03/carl-cameron-optimism-growing-inside-mccain-camp/) Feh, Hot Air. But seriously, Rassmussen is a serious under counter of cellphone users, and even I do think Hot Air is misleading. [http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/cellphone-effect-continued.html](http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/cellphone-effect-continued.html) And, they claim they could not wait for the Pennsylvania numbers? Allow me to say: How convenient. [http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public\_content/politics/election\_20082/2008\_presidential\_election/pennsylvania/election\_2008\_pennsylvania\_presidential\_election2](http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/pennsylvania/election_2008_pennsylvania_presidential_election2) > [@](#): > > The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of voters in the state shows Obama with 52% of the vote while McCain picks up 46% ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1158 "2008-11-04T04:02:02Z")
Ya know, one consistent theme as the Repos try vainly to right their ship is how they keep harping on Obama’s inexperience in many of their ads. Umm that argument got taken away from you when you decided on whom to select as the GOP vice-presidential candidate. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1159 "2008-11-04T04:23:18Z")
Meanwhile, the California branch of the GOP displays its tact and compassion in a time of grief for Obama: On the same day that the death of Obama’s grandmother is announced the California Republican party [files a lawsuit](http://dl1.activatedirect.com/fs/distribution:wl/distribution_jdqy8610gwi83me/xiwmy59i4l5wjq/daid/xiwqs79ehlfdna?1&_adctlid=d%7Cdistribution_jdqy8610gwi83me%7Cxiwqs79ehlfdna) against Obama, claiming his use of the campaign plane to go visit her last week was an illegal use of campaign funds. Great timing, guys; you’re a real class act, you are. ---
**Author:** ![Plan\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Plan\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plan_B)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1160 "2008-11-04T04:29:18Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Meanwhile, the California branch of the GOP displays its tact and compassion in a time of grief for Obama: > > On the same day that the death of Obama’s grandmother is announced the California Republican party [files a lawsuit](http://dl1.activatedirect.com/fs/distribution:wl/distribution_jdqy8610gwi83me/xiwmy59i4l5wjq/daid/xiwqs79ehlfdna?1&_adctlid=d%7Cdistribution_jdqy8610gwi83me%7Cxiwqs79ehlfdna) against Obama, claiming his use of the campaign plane to go visit her last week was an illegal use of campaign funds. > > Great timing, guys; you’re a real class act, you are. If you had bothered to even read the first line of your cite, you’d see that the suit was filed this morning, before her death was announced. And if you’ve ever spoken to a lawyer you know that the paperwork was done the night before. You’re a class act EddyTeddyFreddy. Trying to make hay out of the death of this woman. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951.md?page=57) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951.md?page=59)