# McCain not as forked as the McCain Forked thread, but still forked **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 8, 2008, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951 "2008-10-08T03:49:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 59
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1161 "2008-11-04T04:30:55Z")
Obama 338 EV McCain 200 EV Who predicts this you ask? None other than [Karl Rove.](http://rove.com/election) I think he is being optimistic… ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1162 "2008-11-04T04:36:25Z")
> [@Plan\_B](#): > > If you had bothered to even read the first line of your cite, you’d see that the suit was filed this morning, before her death was announced. And if you’ve ever spoken to a lawyer you know that the paperwork was done the night before. You’re a class act EddyTeddyFreddy. Trying to make hay out of the death of this woman. She is [right.](http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/10/16/sacramento-gop-waterboard-obama/) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1163 "2008-11-04T04:39:49Z")
> [@Plan\_B](#): > > If you had bothered to even read the first line of your cite, you’d see that the suit was filed this morning, before her death was announced. And if you’ve ever spoken to a lawyer you know that the paperwork was done the night before. You’re a class act EddyTeddyFreddy. Trying to make hay out of the death of this woman. I do not think EddyTeddyFreddy was missing that, that is why “timing” was mentioned. I do think it was bad timing for the filers, but even if the grandmother had not died today, I do think the people filing this are scum. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1164 "2008-11-04T04:44:57Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > I just checked my CallerID - “PLANNED PARENT” is what showed up. > > I’ve been disenfranchised! :eek: > 😃 > > MeanJoe You need to call 1-866-OUR-VOTE to report this, just so it’s added to the record. Please do that. Btw, they figured out how those flyers in Virginia were sent. > [@](#): > > [Phony Virginia Flier Culprit Found](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/03/phony-virgnia-flier-culpr_n_140739.html) > > State elections officials have identified the person responsible for a phony election flier that told Republicans to vote on Tuesday and Democrats to vote a day later. > > State Board of Elections Secretary Nancy Rodrigues said Monday the flier bearing the Virginia seal and the elections board logo was a joke that got out of control. The flier was distributed early last week across Hampton Roads. State police confirmed it also was distributed by e-mail. > > State officials declined to name the person who created the flier or a second person who began distributing it. > > While distribution of false information to voters is a misdemeanor, state police spokeswoman Corinne Geller says no charges would be filed. Of _COURSE_ it was only a joke. Uh huh. Of _COURSE_ no charges will be filed. It’s only democracy, after all. Who gives a shit about that? It was only a joke. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1165 "2008-11-04T04:46:12Z")
> [@Plan\_B](#): > > If you had bothered to even read the first line of your cite, you’d see that the suit was filed this morning, before her death was announced. And if you’ve ever spoken to a lawyer you know that the paperwork was done the night before. You’re a class act EddyTeddyFreddy. Trying to make hay out of the death of this woman. Because of course the jerks who came up with this suit and filed it had NO IDEA that the woman was actually, ya know, gravely ill and could die at any moment, and that suing Obama for such a thing would be a dickish move no matter when she died? Is that what you mean? They’d be assholes no matter when they filed the suit; that it hit the court the very day her death was announced is merely poetic justice. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1166 "2008-11-04T04:55:18Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Btw, they figured out how those flyers in Virginia were sent. > > Of _COURSE_ it was only a joke. Uh huh. Of _COURSE_ no charges will be filed. It’s only democracy, after all. Who gives a shit about that? It was only a joke. There seems to be a [pattern here](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IN_OBAMA_HITLER_LETTER_INOL-?SITE=ININS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-10-23-17-59-23): > [@](#): > > FRANKLIN, Ind. (AP) – A Republican county election clerk said Friday she has apologized to two employees for distributing copies of Internet blog posting referring to Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama as a “young, black Adolf Hitler.” > > [snip] > “She admitted to being responsible for the letter, but only did it as a joke,” Cox said. Jackson told Cox she had intended to speak with the workers upon returning to work but forgot. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1167 "2008-11-04T04:56:22Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Feh, Hot Air. Yeah, yeah, I know. But I couldn’t find the Rassmussen results anywhere else, and I wanted to link. Still, they do have some decency; the poster there of the news of Obama’s grandmother’s death was up front and ruthless about deleting comments expressing “suspicion about the timing.” That’s more than most of the conservative sites I peek into do. > [@](#): > > But seriously, Rassmussen is a serious under counter of cellphone users, and even I do think Hot Air is misleading. Yeah, the Pennsylvania result did make me feel better. Still, IS there any momentum on McCain’s side because of those other results? ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1168 "2008-11-04T04:59:51Z")
He’s forked. Pittsburgh 23 - Washington 6 "The outcome of the Redskins’ last home game before a presidential election has been an accurate barometer for which party gets in the White House 17 of the last 18 times. If the Redskins win, the incumbent party stays in power. If the Redskins lose, the opposing party wins." Of course, the 18th, and incorrect, time was the last election… ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1169 "2008-11-04T05:03:52Z")
So I did GOTV work in Pittsburgh today, and the scope and depth and organization of the Obama campaign is utterly stunning. They have computerized lists of every single Obama supporter in the precinct (and, one assumes, the city) (maybe the state). They sent out a shift of volunteers to talk to every single one of those supporters today to encourage them to vote. If the voters weren’t home, they were marked so that the second or third shift of volunteers would knock on their door without re-knocking on the doors of people who’d actually been contacted. Then yet other shifts of volunteers went to every single supporter’s house hanging door signs with voting information, rights, and that individual voter’s polling place. That’s in addition to the phone banking, etc. It’s completely nuts. Tomorrow we’re going to visit every single supporter and ask them if they’ve voted. If they haven’t, we’re going to visit again. And again. And again. Plus whatever we’re doing with polling place lawyers and witnesses and line watchers and so forth. Go go Obama! (Anyone want to go visit the freepers and see if anyone is claiming the timing of Obama’s grandmother’s death is a bit TOO convenient? I wouldn’t put it past them…) By the way, PA has no early voting at all, so tomorrow will be a madhouse at the polling places, I assume. The law is that anyone in line by 8 p.m. gets to vote. I wonder what the over/under is on when the last vote is cast? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1170 "2008-11-04T05:14:03Z")
First of all, great work in Pennsylvania. It really looks like it’ll be key, and that the effort will (hopefully) pay off! > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > (Anyone want to go visit the freepers and see if anyone is claiming the timing of Obama’s grandmother’s death is a bit TOO convenient? I wouldn’t put it past them…) [Someone did. And they did.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=491023) Which is why, as I said, I was impressed that at least Hot Air doesn’t put up with that kind of bull. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1171 "2008-11-04T05:14:28Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > (Anyone want to go visit the freepers and see if anyone is claiming the timing of Obama’s grandmother’s death is a bit TOO convenient? I wouldn’t put it past them…) Worse, they’re accusing him of having her murdered. [Thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=491023). ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1172 "2008-11-04T05:17:16Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Yeah, the Pennsylvania result did make me feel better. Still, IS there any momentum on McCain’s side because of those other results? Other polls point to Obama gaining support, As Rassmussen is missing some voters IMO places like [Pollster.com](http://Pollster.com) that includes other polls seem to be more reliable: Pennsylvania: > **[Pollster](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/pollster)** > > Pollster news, charts, and opinion. Florida: > **[Pollster](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/pollster)** > > Pollster news, charts, and opinion. Ohio: > **[Pollster](https://www.huffpost.com/news/topic/pollster)** > > Pollster news, charts, and opinion. On both Florida and Ohio, McCain is down by about 3 percentage points when looking at several polls. Seems to me that any momentum is now applied to both candidates as they both seem to be going up a few points as undecideds are finally making up their minds. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1173 "2008-11-04T05:27:20Z")
Traditional Voting first-timers Dixville Notch, NH, which hasn’t voted for a Democrat since Hubert Humphrey, just voted for Obama 15-6. :eek:🆒 ---
**Author:** ![vison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e47774/32.png) [@vison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vison)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1174 "2008-11-04T05:31:46Z")
> [@ArchiveGuy](#): > > Traditional Voting first-timers Dixville Notch, NH, which hasn’t voted for a Democrat since Hubert Humphrey, just voted for Obama 15-6. > > :eek:🆒 :eek::eek::eek::eek: Is this a good thing? Or not? I mean, it sounds **good** to me, but then . . . is it a reverse omen or something? ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1175 "2008-11-04T05:33:12Z")
Pictures from the local volunteer center tonight. . . [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/3294/3002065236_75957617fd_b.jpg "2008Election03") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/23298617@N05/3002065236/) [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/3169/3002065156_ce4b1b9d4c_b.jpg "2008Election02") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/23298617@N05/3002065156/) [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/3209/3002065086_1a2e4ae170_b.jpg "2008Election01") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/23298617@N05/3002065086/) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1176 "2008-11-04T05:36:27Z")
> [@vison](#): > > :eek::eek::eek::eek: > > Is this a good thing? Or not? > > I mean, it sounds **good** to me, but then . . . is it a reverse omen or something? In 2004: > **[Dixville Notch, New Hampshire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixville_Notch,_New_Hampshire)** > > Dixville Notch is an unincorporated community in Dixville township, Coös County, New Hampshire, United States. The population of the township, all of whom live in Dixville Notch, was 4 as of the 2020 census. The village is known for being the first place to declare its results during the New Hampshire presidential primary. It is located in the northern part of the state, approximately 20 miles (32 km) south of the border with the Canadian province of Quebec. The village is situated at about Th... > [@](#): > > General Election: (26 voters, 9 using absentee ballots)[3] > > ``` > * George W. Bush - 19 > * John Kerry - 7 > > ``` Now that is a switch! So much for the Bradley effect! ;)🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1177 "2008-11-04T05:43:22Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > In 2004: > > [Dixville Notch, New Hampshire - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixville_Notch,_New_Hampshire) > Now that is a switch! > > So much for the Bradley effect! ;)🙂 [ > [@Nate Silver of 538.com](#): > > On the other hand, if there is any state where the polls might overestimate Obama’s numbers, it’s in New Hampshire, where nearly the entirely electorate is white and where Obama was famously upset by Hillary Clinton during the primaries. If McCain holds Obama to within about five points in New Hampshire—closer than any current polls—we may need to be worried about some sort of Bradley Effect. ]([http://www.newsweek.com/id/167186](http://www.newsweek.com/id/167186))Looks to be good news. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1178 "2008-11-04T05:44:56Z")
The raw dynamism and explosive energy doesn’t really come through in the pictures. Looks more like Eternal Heck, where agnostics go when we die, nothing much ever happens, and its always pledge week on NPR… ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1179 "2008-11-04T12:24:42Z")
That’s some sense of humor those Reps have… spreading misinformation is so funny. Real knee slapper there. I feel like I’m holding my breath all day today. Thank god I have to work–I’d drive myself nuts otherwise. And I want to say to all those who GOTV and rang doorbells and cold called people and volunteered at a campaign office etc, thank you for making our democracy work. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2008, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951/1180 "2008-11-04T12:44:30Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > I just checked my CallerID - “PLANNED PARENT” is what showed up. > > I’ve been disenfranchised! :eek: > 😃 > > MeanJoe Huh, we got that call. I didn’t answer it, they didn’t leave a message. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951.md?page=58) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mccain-not-as-forked-as-the-mccain-forked-thread-but-still-forked/466951.md?page=60)