# McNabb now a Redskin

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**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [April 5, 2010, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962 "2010-04-05T00:49:00Z")\
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**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\
**Post date:** [April 5, 2010, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/41 "2010-04-05T20:23:18Z")

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I heard on sportstalk radio today that there is a rumor that Shanahan offered up Haynsworth for McNabb and was turned down because no one wants the dude because he’s a lazy piece of shit who didn’t produce the year after he signed a $100M deal.

If that’s true there will be Cutlerstyle drama later in the year I’m sure.

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**Author:** ![SCSimmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e495f1/32.png) [@SCSimmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCSimmons)\
**Post date:** [April 5, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/42 "2010-04-05T20:30:33Z")

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> [@Omniscient](#):
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> That’s entirely besides the point. And with McNabb’s durability issues there’s plenty of questions if he is indeed in his prime any more.

Yup. This is the huge risk with McNabb. Maybe all of these injuries lately have just been fluky, and his best years are still ahead of him. And maybe he’ll get knocked out for the season in game 3, and the 'Skins will be negotiating his contract (which is up at the end of next season) still not sure what, if anything, they have. And the Jason Campbell question is tough–they can’t really afford _not_ to trade him, since it doesn’t make sense with salary caps in play to have two starting quarterbacks on your roster. And that drives down his trade value–when the buyer knows that you have to sell, he’s not going to open with his best offer.

This looks to me like the ‘Skins think they can build a team for _this season_, and maybe the next couple, that can get deep into the playoffs, by trading for some solid veterans, and the hell with the rest of the decade. Hats off if it works–I ain’t bettin’ on it.

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**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\
**Post date:** [April 5, 2010, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/43 "2010-04-05T20:32:36Z")

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So fantasy gurus, if McNabb is my #1 QB in the SDMB Dynasty League, exactly how fucked am I for next year?

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**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\
**Post date:** [April 5, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/44 "2010-04-05T20:35:54Z")

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> [@Omniscient](#):
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> Drafting a QB at #4 is by no means a sure thing and most people think taking Claussen at #4 is a bit of a reach out of necessity.

Agreed. I’ve not seen a mock draft where he goes any earlier than #30.

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**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\
**Post date:** [April 5, 2010, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/45 "2010-04-05T20:38:47Z")

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> [@SCSimmons](#):
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> And that drives down his trade value–when the buyer knows that you have to sell, he’s not going to open with his best offer.

You can make a pretty strong case that the Eagles were in the same situation and they were able to get a good deal for a guy that they essentially had to trade. Quarterbacks are a special case. I think they’ll get enough for Campbell to leave fans feeling good.

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**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\
**Post date:** [April 5, 2010, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/46 "2010-04-05T20:42:17Z")

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> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#):
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> Agreed. I’ve not seen a mock draft where he goes any earlier than #30.

We’re on the same page here, but it sounds like you are really exaggerating. Every mock I’ve seen has him going in the top 15, there’s always a big “yeah, but” associated with it but that’s where people have him going. Everyone seems to agree that if he slides out of the top 12 a Brady Quinn situation will pop up with someone trading back into the 1st round to get him at the back of the first round.

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**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\
**Post date:** [April 5, 2010, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/47 "2010-04-05T23:34:29Z")

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> [@Cubsfan](#):
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> I heard on sportstalk radio today that there is a rumor that Shanahan offered up Haynsworth for McNabb and was turned down because no one wants the dude because he’s a lazy piece of shit who didn’t produce the year after he signed a $100M deal.
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> If that’s true there will be Cutlerstyle drama later in the year I’m sure.

Well, it’s not just that - it’s also that he was due a $24 million roster bonus on April 1st, and the offer was contingent on the trade going through before the Redskins paid it.

Hell, most teams wouldn’t trade for Peyton Manning if it required paying someone else a $24 million bonus.

> [@Justin\_Bailey](#):
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> So fantasy gurus, if McNabb is my #1 QB in the SDMB Dynasty League, exactly how fucked am I for next year?

Not that fucked. McNabb produced when he was throwing to certainly-worthless Freddie Mitchell, so I don’t see why he won’t produce throwing to Santana Moss, Antwaan Randle El and possibly-worthless Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly.

I’m worried - I’ve got DeSean Jackson, who only catches deep balls, and I highly doubt Kolb can match McNabb’s deep-ball ability.

The Eagles quietly traded Sheldon Brown to the Browns for an exchange of linebackers and 3rd- and 4th-round picks. I predict that said trade will have a bigger impact on the Browns’ record than the McNabb trade will on the 'Skins record.

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**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/48 "2010-04-06T00:31:51Z")

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> [@Omniscient](#):
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> We’re on the same page here, but it sounds like you are really exaggerating. Every mock I’ve seen has him going in the top 15, there’s always a big “yeah, but” associated with it but that’s where people have him going. Everyone seems to agree that if he slides out of the top 12 a Brady Quinn situation will pop up with someone trading back into the 1st round to get him at the back of the first round.

Maybe it’s just the ones I’ve been seeing, but it looks like this draft has so many quality linemen that many teams will not be able to help themselves and will be willing to let him pass on the hopes that he might still be available later.

> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#):
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> McNabb produced when he was throwing to certainly-worthless Freddie Mitchell, so I don’t see why he won’t produce throwing to Santana Moss, Antwaan Randle El and possibly-worthless Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly.

He won’t have Randle-El, the Skins cut him and he’s back in Pittsburgh now.

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**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/49 "2010-04-06T01:58:53Z")

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Not sure why people think the 'Skins don’t have anyone McNabb can throw to. Moss has been playing out of position at the #1 WR spot; he’s a #2, but he’s a good player. Thomas and Kelly are young, and started to show some of their potential last year; either one could emerge as a legit #1 with D-Mac throwing to them. I have a feeling that you’re going to learn the name Marko Mitchell this year- he’s tall, fast, has great hands, and could have a big impact in the 4th WR position. Not to mention Chris Cooley is one of the best receiving TE’s in the game, and Fred Davis looked great when Cooley was out with that broken ankle last year.

Not saying these guys are on par with the WR sets in Indianapolis or New England, but with an experienced QB who won’t stare down one guy and hold onto the ball forever(then get sacked), they could do a some damage, especially if Shanahan and the Bruce shore up the OL and give DM some time.

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**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/50 "2010-04-06T02:11:24Z")

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Good point on Cooley. McNabb loves throwing to tight ends - Chad whatshisface and LJ Smith were pretty average players, but put up big numbers with McNabb.

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**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/51 "2010-04-06T03:39:53Z")

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Most pissed off are the NFL’s schedule-makers – they probably had the schedule all planned out, and now they have to figure a way to shoehorn the WAS@PHI game into prime-time.

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**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/52 "2010-04-06T04:12:56Z")

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> [@Hal\_Briston](#):
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> Most pissed off are the NFL’s schedule-makers – they probably had the schedule all planned out, and now they have to figure a way to shoehorn the WAS@PHI game into prime-time.

Nah, they were already scheduled in Primetime. This probably just means that Washington gets 2 or 3 more non-divisional games added to bring the NFC East total to something like 77.

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**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/53 "2010-04-06T06:24:49Z")

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As it should be.

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**Author:** ![Philster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/13edae/32.png) [@Philster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Philster)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/54 "2010-04-06T12:22:05Z")

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You guys don’t get it. Eagles fans are entitled express their wants. They don’t want to be 10-6 next year and heading into the playoffs with Mcnabb.

They don’t. Did they at one time? Yes. Did they more than once? Yes. It’s not fun anymore. What you clearly DO NOT GET, is that 4-12 with Kolb is utterly more enjoyable than 10-6 with #5, even if it means the playoffs and NFC Championship. Pardon humans for wanting change/hope. \>insert political humor here\<

It’s exhausting. The fun has been sucked out of the experience. It’s not even about hating Mcnabb. It just isn’t.

At some point, based on contracts and experience over the years with how most quarterbacks age, you have to make a decision. Saying that Elway did it (won late in his career), so we should keep Mcnabb is nice, but it’s not the final/ultimate argument. It is something to be considered, but not the ultimate logic veto.

**Excuse me for speaking like a kid who was raised in the shadows of the stadiums, who live and breathed Philly sports all his life. It just gets to the point of pathetic and exhausting when the Eagles are in the playoffs, vying for a Superbowl appearance or playing the arch enemy Cowpokes, and you can’t even find someone who is putting out a bowl of discount chips and coagulating cheese dip.**

When that happens, it is time to move on.

Apologies to all… and I forgive you all for coming at this logically. It just isn’t about logic, people. It’s about a culture shift on Sundays and Monday nights that no one wants to continue.

We want to go back to Sunday football parties and all the other cultural experiences that are usually wrapped up in the Eagles. They are gone… and they need to come back.

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**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/55 "2010-04-06T12:40:44Z")

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> [@Philster](#):
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> They don’t. Did they at one time? Yes. Did they more than once? Yes. It’s not fun anymore. What you clearly DO NOT GET, is that 4-12 with Kolb is utterly more enjoyable than 10-6 with #5, even if it means the playoffs and NFC Championship.

What a spoiled and ridiculous attitude that is. Mind you, it’s typical of a lot of sports fans, but it’s just moronic. May you enjoy many 4-12 seasons if that’s what you want. It’s too bad for both of us that my team wasn’t able to trade for McNabb so we could take that awful division and conference championship misery off your hands.

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**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/56 "2010-04-06T13:20:08Z")

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Trust me, **Philster** , 4-12 sucks. I disagree with but understand your point; Kolb is young and has a lot of upside, however he is a completely unproven commodity. Having suffered through a decade of the BAD kind of futility down here in DC I can assure you perennially going 10-6 and winning a couple of playoff games is **vastly** preferable to 4-12 and dead last.

Enjoy the losing; wish you the best of luck with that.

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**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/57 "2010-04-06T13:43:20Z")

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> [@Philster](#):
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> We want to go back to Sunday football parties and all the other cultural experiences that are usually wrapped up in the Eagles. They are gone… and they need to come back.

So what you’re saying is that Eagles fans are retarded?

“We’re tired of being really, really good!”  
“What should we do?”  
“Let’s get rid of our best player! It must be his fault!”

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**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/58 "2010-04-06T13:44:17Z")

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> [@DCnDC](#):
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> Trust me, **Philster** , 4-12 sucks. I disagree with but understand your point; Kolb is young and has a lot of upside, however he is a completely unproven commodity. Having suffered through a decade of the BAD kind of futility down here in DC I can assure you perennially going 10-6 and winning a couple of playoff games is **vastly** preferable to 4-12 and dead last.
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> Enjoy the losing; wish you the best of luck with that.

Being a Philly Phan, I understand Philster’s disposition. From the outside, it can’t make sense, but from the inside, there is no fun, no range of dynamics… Andy Reid says the same thing every press conference, and while they win win win in the regular season, you just know they will not win in the playoffs.

I would rather not have made the playoffs than experience sast year’s collapse to the Cowboys…

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**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/59 "2010-04-06T13:54:39Z")

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> [@Philster](#):
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> You guys don’t get it. Eagles fans are entitled express their wants. They don’t want to be 10-6 next year and heading into the playoffs with Mcnabb.
> 
> They don’t. Did they at one time? Yes. Did they more than once? Yes. It’s not fun anymore. What you clearly DO NOT GET, is that 4-12 with Kolb is utterly more enjoyable than 10-6 with #5, even if it means the playoffs and NFC Championship. Pardon humans for wanting change/hope. \>insert political humor here\<
> 
> It’s exhausting. The fun has been sucked out of the experience. It’s not even about hating Mcnabb. It just isn’t.
> 
> At some point, based on contracts and experience over the years with how most quarterbacks age, you have to make a decision. Saying that Elway did it (won late in his career), so we should keep Mcnabb is nice, but it’s not the final/ultimate argument. It is something to be considered, but not the ultimate logic veto.
> 
> **Excuse me for speaking like a kid who was raised in the shadows of the stadiums, who live and breathed Philly sports all his life. It just gets to the point of pathetic and exhausting when the Eagles are in the playoffs, vying for a Superbowl appearance or playing the arch enemy Cowpokes, and you can’t even find someone who is putting out a bowl of discount chips and coagulating cheese dip.**
> 
> When that happens, it is time to move on.
> 
> Apologies to all… and I forgive you all for coming at this logically. It just isn’t about logic, people. It’s about a culture shift on Sundays and Monday nights that no one wants to continue.
> 
> We want to go back to Sunday football parties and all the other cultural experiences that are usually wrapped up in the Eagles. They are gone… and they need to come back.

You should have canned Andy Reid then.

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**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\
**Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/60 "2010-04-06T13:54:57Z")

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You know who else felt that way? Colts fans before the 2007 Super Bowl.

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