# McNabb now a Redskin **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 5, 2010, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962 "2010-04-05T00:49:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/141 "2010-04-09T01:27:59Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Warner got to play with great receivers in domes. Makes it a bit easier to look good. I’d like to see what he would do when it was 20 degrees and snowing in Philly. For what it’s worth, Warner looked pretty crappy in the Meadowlands. And that was before it got cold. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/142 "2010-04-09T01:35:32Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > I’ll take that bet. It’s actually a series of bets, a separate bet for each season beginning with 2011. How many years do you want? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/143 "2010-04-09T02:14:45Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > So, um, is there anything about a quarterback that does matter other than your personal feelings? Rings. That’s it. The rest is just bullshit. There isn’t anyone out here that wouldn’t take Tom Brady for their favorite team, and the biggest reason isn’t his luck with the ladies or his Marlboro chin. He wins. Alot. And any Eagle fan (or McNabb fan) out here is lying if they say they’d take McNabb and his decade of futility over Trent Dilfer and his one Super Bowl Championship. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/144 "2010-04-09T02:16:49Z")
I wouldn’t take Brady. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/145 "2010-04-09T02:27:32Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I wouldn’t take Brady. Now THAT wins the username/quote contest for the year! ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/146 "2010-04-09T02:31:38Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > Rings. > > That’s it. > > The rest is just bullshit. There isn’t anyone out here that wouldn’t take Tom Brady for their favorite team, and the biggest reason isn’t his luck with the ladies or his Marlboro chin. He wins. Alot. > > And any Eagle fan (or McNabb fan) out here is lying if they say they’d take McNabb and his decade of futility over Trent Dilfer and his one Super Bowl Championship. You’re a weird dude. I said that in response to > [@](#): > > I don’t look at QB’s that have 1 QB especially great either. Favre, and both Mannings fit into this category. Trent Dilfer has a ring. Brad Johnson has a ring. One. Now you’re challenging me on the grounds that I’d obviously rather have had Dilfer. So really, why didn’t you just say “I hate McNabb” and leave it at that? It seems you aren’t even really paying that much attention to what you’re even saying. But tell me, what were you saying about Peyton Manning c. 2005? John Elway pre-Terrell Davis? ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/147 "2010-04-09T02:40:05Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > And any Eagle fan (or McNabb fan) out here is lying if they say they’d take McNabb and his decade of futility over Trent Dilfer and his one Super Bowl Championship. Guess I’m a liar, then. Eh. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/148 "2010-04-09T03:06:19Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > You’re a weird dude. I said that in response to > > Now you’re challenging me on the grounds that I’d obviously rather have had Dilfer. So really, why didn’t you just say “I hate McNabb” and leave it at that? It seems you aren’t even really paying that much attention to what you’re even saying. But tell me, what were you saying about Peyton Manning c. 2005? John Elway pre-Terrell Davis? Peyton doesn’t do much for me. He is a great regular season QB, but for someone who is supposed to be the greatest QB of his generation, he doesn’t have much to show for it. Look, I know you McNabb apologists will never let go, but he never won a damn thing. That’s why I said QB’s with one ring don’t hold much weight either. Anyone can go for a ride for one season and win one. Joe Namath anyone? Doug Williams? Trent Dilfer? Brad Johnson? For crying out loud, McNabb couldn’t slip one Super Bowl win in five trips to the NFC Championship game (and what, 4 in a row?) He was incapable of managing a game. He couldn’t win with the clock ticking below 2 minutes to go. He puked on the sidelines during the Super Bowl because of his nerves. He didn’t know the rules to OT. How is that possible? I don’t hate McNabb. He’s a football player… on a team I don’t like. By all accounts, he’s a great person off the field. So hate? No. I’m just glad that he wasn’t the Steeler QB for the last decade, and I’m glad I’m not a Redskin fan today. If he never wins a Super Bowl, it doesn’t make him a bad person, a bad neighbor, parent, or husband. I know virtually nothing about the guy off the field, and what I have heard has all been good. I’d rather have him living next door to me than Big Ben, but if I had to win a football game? Big Ben gets the job 10 out of 10 times. McNabb doesn’t pull off that 2-minute drill at the end of the SB against the Cardinals. He just doesn’t. How do I know? He never has. (Keep the Big Ben jokes to another thread… this thread is about McNabb) ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/149 "2010-04-09T03:07:50Z")
> [@rockle](#): > > Guess I’m a liar, then. Eh. either that, or an Eagle fan in denial. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/150 "2010-04-09T03:11:28Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > Peyton doesn’t do much for me. He is a great regular season QB, but for someone who is supposed to be the greatest QB of his generation, he doesn’t have much to show for it. > > Look, I know you McNabb apologists will never let go, but he never won a damn thing. That’s why I said QB’s with one ring don’t hold much weight either. Anyone can go for a ride for one season and win one. Joe Namath anyone? Doug Williams? Trent Dilfer? Brad Johnson? For crying out loud, McNabb couldn’t slip one Super Bowl win in five trips to the NFC Championship game (and what, 4 in a row?) > > He was incapable of managing a game. He couldn’t win with the clock ticking below 2 minutes to go. He puked on the sidelines during the Super Bowl because of his nerves. He didn’t know the rules to OT. How is that possible? > > I don’t hate McNabb. He’s a football player… on a team I don’t like. By all accounts, he’s a great person off the field. So hate? No. I’m just glad that he wasn’t the Steeler QB for the last decade, and I’m glad I’m not a Redskin fan today. If he never wins a Super Bowl, it doesn’t make him a bad person, a bad neighbor, parent, or husband. I know virtually nothing about the guy off the field, and what I have heard has all been good. I’d rather have him living next door to me than Big Ben, but if I had to win a football game? Big Ben gets the job 10 out of 10 times. McNabb doesn’t pull off that 2-minute drill at the end of the SB against the Cardinals. He just doesn’t. How do I know? He never has. > > (Keep the Big Ben jokes to another thread… this thread is about McNabb) You would think someone who kept bringing up crappy qbs who won super bowls would realize that perhaps quality of qb isn’t the only factor in whether a team wins or loses a super bowl. I’m also not sure what game you are watching that has Big Ben always come through in the clutch. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/151 "2010-04-09T03:15:56Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > You would think someone who kept bringing up crappy qbs who won super bowls would realize that perhaps quality of qb isn’t the only factor in whether a team wins or loses a super bowl. I’m also not sure what game you are watching that has Big Ben always come through in the clutch. OK, how about Peyton Manning? Eli Manning? One super Bowl each. Happy now? Big Ben doesn’t always come through in the clutch. No QB does. But he did it when it counted in SB 43. Good enough for me. And no shit the QB isn’t the only reason a team wins a Super Bowl. But he’s the most important player on the field. Unless you can think of one other individual that controls the game more for a team than the QB. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/152 "2010-04-09T03:36:55Z")
I just wish you would make up your mind about which side of your own point you’re on. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/153 "2010-04-09T03:42:20Z")
what don’t you understand? McNabb = not a winner. Eagles = better off without him Redskins = may be better than 4-12, but won’t win anything of significance while McNabb is under center McNabb will be out of Washington in 2 years. 3 only if they sign him to a long-term contract, but he won’t be a starter longer than 2 years. Anything else in the thread is just blather. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/154 "2010-04-09T04:42:28Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > Peyton doesn’t do much for me. He is a great regular season QB, but for someone who is supposed to be the greatest QB of his generation, he doesn’t have much to show for it. Multiple rings is an unreasonable standard. Only 10 QBs fit that criteria. It’s silly to say that there have only been 10 great QBs in the Superbowl era. > [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > The rest is just bullshit. There isn’t anyone out here that wouldn’t take Tom Brady for their favorite team, and the biggest reason isn’t his luck with the ladies or his Marlboro chin. He wins. Alot. I wouldn’t take Brady over Eli. I like my QB. He wins. A lot. And he got a ring one of the greatest Superbowls ever. At the expense of Tom Brady, I might add. I wouldn’t take him on the Jets, either, because he’s a hated rival. You don’t beat your rival by taking their superstars, you beat your rival by building yourself up and beating their superstars. But that’s just me. Good thing I’m not a Redskins fan, eh? And besides, I dig Sanchez. I happen to agree that Peyton’s a regular-season wonder. I like to classify him as a frontrunner, as in nobody’s better early in the second quarter up by two scores early in the the regular season. His amazing comebacks kind of mess with that putdown, but they’re all during the regular season. And as for Peyton proving he wasn’t a choker by winning the Superbowl, remember that the only reason he was able to win a Superbowl was because his whining got the league to change the rules. Under the old way they called PI he never would have got his ring. Not that he played particularly well in that playoff run anyway. Certainly his performance was far below his regular season average. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/155 "2010-04-09T13:53:51Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > His amazing comebacks kind of mess with that putdown, but they’re all during the regular season. [How](http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20070121_NE@IND) quickly we forget. For all the records Peyton holds, the most impressive, in my book, is also the simplest: he has the highest absolute career TD/INT differential of any player at +185. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/156 "2010-04-09T13:55:37Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Warner got to play with great receivers in domes. Makes it a bit easier to look good. I’d like to see what he would do when it was 20 degrees and snowing in Philly. I’d be surprised if McNabb played in even half a dozen snowy games in Philly over his career. ---
**Author:** ![Chicagojeff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@Chicagojeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicagojeff)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/157 "2010-04-09T14:14:00Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > You all missed my point, but since you all missed it, it must have been my fault. > > I didn’t mean to imply that Kordell Stewart and McNabb have had the same career. I meant that McNabb will fall very quickly now that he’s left the Eagles, ala Stewart leaving the Steelers. > > And I went back and checked his stats quickly. McNabb’s stats were obviously better than Kordell’s, but in 6 seasons as the Steeler starting QB, he lost two AFC Championship games at home. He was with the Steelers for a total of 8 years. > > I had the misfortune of living in Pittsburgh during the Kordell years, and near Philly for McNabb’s career. So yes, I may be a bit harsher on McNabb than some of the other fans. But there is a strong parallel to me between the relationship of McNabb and Reid and Stewart and Cowher. Cowher would have never won a Super Bowl with Stewart as his QB, and he had to bench him in favor of Maddox or risk losing his job. > > Back when Kordell was installed as the starting QB by Cowher, there was a power struggle within the organization. Tom Donohoe, the GM at the time, did not believe in Stewart. Cowher did. Rooney sided with Cowher, and Donohoe was fired. Cowher was tied to Stewart’s success, and without an intervention to bench Stewart and let him get out of town, Cowher would have never seen another Super Bowl. > > Anyhow, if you would make me choose between McNabb and Stewart, I’m choosing McNabb. But I’m not winning a Super Bowl with either one. Eagle fans have suffered enough with McNabb. Time for a new arm. > > The Eagle teams over the last 10 years were one of the most dominant in the NFL… just imagine if they had Kurt Warner as their QB instead of McNabb. > One more item for you stat geeks. Someone put together a list of games that McNabb started against non-playoff teams over his career and it was well above .500. They also looked at McNabb’s record against playoff teams or teams with a winning record, and McNabb was well below .500. So against good competition, he wasn’t much to write home about. The point is, he cleaned up against poor teams, and didn’t do much at all against good ones. His two weeks last year against Dallas sealed his fate. > > I don’t care what color uniform you put on him, he still can’t complete the 15 yard crossing route. Sorry.. your comparing McNabb to Stewart was so off-based and poor I can’t honestly judge your arguments anymore. Stating that its time for change.. Andy has gone as far as he can go with D-Nabb.. that idea makes a lot of sense. Sometimes you do have to send out the still solid veteran to bring about change.. a more accurate description would have been Danny White and Donovan. But subconciously we always compare white athletes with whites.. and black athletes with black. Kordell Stewart was an example of a guy who caught lightning in a barrel and couldn’t sustain anything. McNabb has been a solid nearly annual pro-bowl caliber guy for 8-10 yrs.. This is akin to the recent comparisons of Toby Gerhart to Mike Alstott.. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/158 "2010-04-09T15:10:40Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I wouldn’t take Brady over Eli. There isn’t a cup of coffee big enough for the spit take I just took. > [@EllisDee](#): > > I wouldn’t take him on the Jets, either, because he’s a hated rival. Now you’ve blown your NFL credibility with me. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/159 "2010-04-09T15:26:18Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > what don’t you understand? > > McNabb = not a winner. I understand this is wrong. 😉 He’s won almost two thirds of his career starts. He’s 9-6 in the playoffs, which isn’t amazing, but it sure as hell isn’t bad. One Super Bowl appearance, four other conference championship games. His teams never lost their first playoff game in any season. And all that while generally throwing to crappy receivers in an offense that passed all the time despite having an exceptionally versatile running back. By the way, Pro Football Reference’s list of similar players for McNabb (over his whole career to this point) looks like this: Mark Brunell, Roger Staubach, Steve McNair, Troy Aikman, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Everett, Jim Kelly, Joe Namath, Trent Green, Ken Stabler. Five of those ten guys are in the Hall of Fame. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2010, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962/160 "2010-04-09T15:29:59Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > His teams never lost their first playoff game in any season. Well, except last season. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcnabb-now-a-redskin/534962.md?page=9)