# McRant **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 30, 2003, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701 "2003-09-30T15:08:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701/61 "2003-10-02T18:04:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CrazyCatLady \* > \*\*As for why people get so whipped up about McDonald’s, I think it’s the huge corporation thing, myself. People react differently to them than to any of the other big fast-food places, just like they get far more whipped up about Walmart than any of the other huge chains of discount stores that sell everthing under the sun like say, Kmart or Meijers. When pressed for what makes this one company substantially different from the others in its class, these folks are often at a loss. It just _is_, you see. > \*\* Okay. I don’t care if UnoMondo wants to eat McDonald’s every day of his life, or if someone else will never eat there again. But, I am not at a “loss” as to why I hate McDonald’s. There are many reasons including, but not limited to, the low grade of meat they use in their sandwiches, the fact that they advertise to children, the fact that they screw their franchisees, etc. I could go on and on. As someone said earlier, Fast Food Nation is a good book to read if you’re interested in the topic. I don’t dislike things for no reason. ---
**Author:** ![Dreaming\_of\_Maria\_Callas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@Dreaming\_of\_Maria\_Callas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dreaming_of_Maria_Callas)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701/62 "2003-10-02T20:52:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by clayton\_e \* > **Techchick may have jabbed at you, but you soon let off on everyone in the thread. The loser comment was a bit rough and there really wasn’t a need for** 😕 WTF? That “loser comment” was not directed to _anyone_ on the Board and was a general comment that some people don’t feel they have anything better to do than cook. I think everyone who cooks regularly probably fits into the first two categories, namely they enjoy cooking, or they cook for a living. You’re reading too much into what I write and are attempting to paint me as the thread asshole. I’m not. I started by merely presenting a contrary to the OP, namely that to some people McDonald’s a tasty, attractive restaurant without which the world would be at a loss. > [@](#): > > **Nobody said "You, UnuMondo!! Yeah, you! I hereby state that you shall never enter another McDonalds, for if you do you will have severely insulted me!"** The people who have posted so far on the malevolence of McD would undoubtedly argue that as a McDonald’s customer I am financially supporting this evil company that gave their father heart disease, made children turn into nagging hellions, and supposedly ruined suburbia. This is evidenced by their tone as they immediately jumped on me after I posted my opinion. And it took all of two seconds for someone to bring up Fast Food Nation as if I need some sort of salvation from my diet through that book. So yeah, the anti-McD posters here are essentially saying that my personal eating habits are an affront to them. > [@](#): > > \*\*Its a debate on taste, some people are saying they mind McDonalds, some are saying they don’t care. Now stop acting as if the other side just tossed your #3 value meal. \*\* Now stop acting like I’m out to get other posters. Well, maybe people like yourself who for no real motivation decide to give me a hard time. UnuMondo ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701/63 "2003-10-02T21:07:17Z")
Ok folks, new take on the Upselling strategy… McD: Hi Welcome to McDonalds, what can we make for you today? Me: I’d like a Big Mac please… McD: Would you like to make it a meal? Me: Uh, why uh, YES, I will make it meal…but tell you what, let me have 72,689 Big Mac Meals please… McD: Uh, sir, are you sure you would like those many meals? Me: Yeah, I like to have those, but only supersize 37,192 of those, 18,772 w/Coke, 9,012 Diet Coke, 6,766 Mr. Pibb, and the rest of them Sprite…of the other 35,497 meals, 21,445 cokes, 10,674 diet coke, 2,227 Mr. Pibb, and the rest of them Sprite…Oh and can I also get one cup of water to go with that, I’m kind of thirsty. McD: Uh, sir… Me: Wait, I’m not done yet…can I get 15,834 Cobb Salads, 129,455 apple pies, 899,203 fudge sundaes, 398,033 w/nuts. I think that about does it. I’m in a bit of a hurry though, I can only wait for about 5 minutes… McD: Uh, sir… Me: You want me to repeat it? Ok, I want 72,689 Big Mac Meals… McD: SIR! Me: What? McD: We don’t have that much food or time to complete your order! Me: Then why the hell are you trying to “Upsell” me? McD: Because I have to… Me: Then tell your manager he needs to think things through and not be such a money grubbin’ scumbag by subjecting us “poor, feeble-minded, schmucks” to suggestive sales tactics… McD: Uh, I’ll try… Me: Well then I would like 192,873 McChickens… McD: Ok, sir…I get your point. Me: Cool! I’d like one Big Mac please. McD: Would you like fries with that? Me: Sure, 18,992,763 large fries…are you that f’n programmed, or what? McD: Oooops, sorry sir. That comes to $3.22 at the first window, please. Me: Thanks! SideNote - Check burger thoroughly for foriegn objects in Big Mac… ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701/64 "2003-10-02T21:18:32Z")
Right. Because it’s the order takers idea to do the upsell. So _they’re_ the ones you should be giving shit to. You’re so witty. :rolleyes: [sub]I realize your post was in jest, I made my response because there seems to be a lot of people out there who think making the order taker’s life miserable is serving some sort of higher purpose, when in reality, it’s probably only serving to get some shit in their food[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701/65 "2003-10-02T21:53:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lezlers \* > \*\* > > [sub]I realize your post was in jest, I made my response because there seems to be a lot of people out there who think making the order taker’s life miserable is serving some sort of higher purpose, when in reality, it’s probably only serving to get some shit in their food[/sub] \*\* Yeah, I totally agree **lezlers**. It shits me no-end when self-righteous turds, upset at having those precious seconds of their extremely valuable time wasted, take out their shit on the poor buggers behind the counter. Customer service workers, whether behind the counter or the desk or on the other end of the phone do a job that is for the most part difficult and thankless. Shitheads who make it THEIR job to complain, almost as a matter of principle, deserve to be put on the other side for a stint. It just seems so common nowadays, that an increasing number of people are so assured of their ‘rights’ and see anything that pisses them off as a personal affront…and then go out of their way to RECLAIM their…I dunno…is it POWER??, by abusing and degrading the person who is serving them. So common and so unnecessary. Personally, I think it is a kind of personality disorder. IMHO of course. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701/66 "2003-10-02T22:15:18Z")
Can I hear an “Amen”??? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701/67 "2003-10-03T11:39:33Z")
Amen! ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701/68 "2003-10-03T13:34:13Z")
Which reminds me of the time I had to work with an ardent deaf culture activist… sort of like handy, but worse. My ASL is… to put it generously, poor. I keep _meaning_ to practice, but… anyhow. Demanded to be placed ahead of all my other work, demanded it to be repaired free, and this was before it got to my desk. So, I go out, and try to solve the problem. It wasn’t a basic issue, I needed some history. The gentleman was apparently unable to read lips, though possibly by choice, and refused to respond to notepad scribblings, or to reply in that way. Have you ever tried to repair a computer with someone describing the problem by mime? Sod that. Put on my hat, got my tools, went home. ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701/69 "2003-10-03T14:36:21Z")
I’m just curious to know why cooking isn’t an intellectual pursuit. pan, who is a Cambridge mathematics graduate, a qualified actuary, an accomplished violinist, is published AND enjoys cooking, waddyaknow. ---
**Author:** ![Keek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/59ef9b/32.png) [@Keek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Keek)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701/70 "2003-10-03T14:55:39Z")
Well, I’m afraid pan is a deluded fool. Until he realises that the secret of wisdom is to eat at McDonald’s everyday, thus saving valuable time for “study”, he’ll never amount to anything. Perhaps if he stops messing around with the violin and maths, he’ll really get somewhere someday. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701/71 "2003-10-03T16:02:41Z")
Yes, I posted to the wrong thread. Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701/72 "2003-10-03T16:02:52Z")
Actually, I spend an ungodly amount of time studying on the weekends and I enjoy taking cooking breaks. Gives my mind a little rest, it’s nice to think of something other than the freakin’ law for an hour. Point is, to each their own. [sub]I totally agree with kabbes that cooking can be an intellectual pursuit.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![kabbes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e99b99/32.png) [@kabbes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kabbes)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701/73 "2003-10-03T16:38:01Z")
I stayed out of this until now because I TOTALLY believe that **Unu’s** right to eat wherever and whatever the hell he wants is sacrosanct. His body, dude. But whilst I’m here and whilst I’m on the theme: your body and your mind are linked, you know. For example, your brain will find it harder to cross the synapses and thus learn new things without a decent amount of Omega 3, found in oily fish. The point? If you want to study at your peak, you should also eat nutritionally well. Not to mention that you should exercise too in order to maintain your ability to concentrate. So quite the opposite of it being a waste of valuable study time: cooking healthy meals actually _helps_ you in your study. Remember, the watchphrase is “quality not quantity”. The goal is to pass the exams, not to point to the enormous quantity of time you’ve put in. Efficiency is everything. Just some friendly points from one who spent the last 25 years in formal study. As I say, you certainly don’t need any permission from the likes of _me_ to eat as you like and I wouldn’t even have mentioned it if I hadn’t got dragged in via that whole “intellectual pursuit” angle. Speaking of which: thanks for agreeing **lezlers**. Cooking is as much a study as anything else. pan ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701/74 "2003-10-03T17:34:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lezlers \* > \*\*Right. Because it’s the order takers idea to do the upsell. So _they’re_ the ones you should be giving shit to. > > You’re so witty. > > :rolleyes: > > [sub]I realize your post was in jest, I made my response because there seems to be a lot of people out there who think making the order taker’s life miserable is serving some sort of higher purpose, when in reality, it’s probably only serving to get some shit in their food[/sub] \*\* I had said something similar to a McD’s order rep (sans “f’n programmed”) and she smiled and thanked me for “breaking up the monotony of the day”. Even she knew that I was talking about management and not her personally. Get a sense of humor guys, sheesh…even a McD’s employee has a sense of humor… ---
**Author:** ![Severian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/49beb7/32.png) [@Severian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Severian)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701/75 "2003-10-03T21:16:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by clayton\_e \* > \*\*All right, I’ll make it plain and simple for you. I want a meal. I don’t want to wait in line and listen to one of your teenage slaves hawk “upgrades” to my meal in monotone. \*\* I’ve never understood the difficulty some people have with saying “No thanks.” I mean honestly, unless this rant is directed towards your first McD’s experience, you knew damn well what you were getting in to. Me, I don’t mind McDonald’s at all. Sometimes I get a burger & fries, sometimes I get a salad and a yogurt cup. And what’s up with people saying the beef is low-grade? I’m pleading ignorance here, but what’s different between McD’s beef and the beef I get at the store? ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2003, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701/76 "2003-10-04T07:35:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Yeticus Rex \* > > Me: Sure, 18,992,763 large fries…are you that f’n programmed, or what? > > McD: Oooops, sorry sir. That comes to $3.22 at the first window, please. > > Me: Thanks! > > SideNote - Check burger thoroughly for foriegn objects in Big Mac… So that’ll be one Big Mac with extra spit…😃 ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2003, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701/77 "2003-10-05T13:20:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by AudreyK \* > \*\*McEmployee: Hi, can I help you? > Customer: Yeah, can I get a six-piece Chicken McNuggets… > M: (interrupting, because the cash register interrupts) What kind of sauce? > C: Uh, Sweet ‘n’ Sour. Uh… And a Big Mac. To go. > M: Would you like to Super-Size? > C: No, I don’t want the meals. > M: It’s only 99 cents to Super-Size. > C: (irritated) Just the sandwich and nuggets. > M: Would you like fries with that? > C: (more irritated) No. > M: (Because the cash register asks) What kind of drinks? > C: (even more irritated) No drinks. Just the Big Mac and Chicken Nuggets. > M: (Because the cash register asks) For here or to go? > C: (supremely irritated) I already said to go. > M: $23.47. (Takes money, hands back change). Come again. > \*\* He got irritated because you did it wrong. Why were you asking if he wanted to supersize, when you didn’t yet know if he wanted meals? Then, when he made it clear that he did not, you should have quietly responded “no” to the fries and drinks prompts. If he doesn’t want a meal, he doesn’t want fries or a drink. Just because the cash register asks you doesn’t mean you have to ask him. ---
**Author:** ![Dryga\_Yes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@Dryga\_Yes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dryga_Yes)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2003, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701/78 "2003-10-05T16:28:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by E-Sabbath \* > \*\*Yes, I posted to the wrong thread. Go figure. \*\* Oh man I haven’t gotten enough sleep this weekend - I read through your post, but I didn’t realise that it was completely off-topic until I read your second one. :smack: goes to bed now, at 6:40 pm ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Tiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Mama\_Tiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Tiger)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2003, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701/79 "2003-10-05T16:59:46Z")
> [@](#): > > He got irritated because you did it wrong. Why were you asking if he wanted to supersize, when you didn’t yet know if he wanted meals? Then, when he made it clear that he did not, you should have quietly responded “no” to the fries and drinks prompts. If he doesn’t want a meal, he doesn’t want fries or a drink. Just because the cash register asks you doesn’t mean you have to ask him. He was interrupting because that’s the way the register works – have to check off each box in order, was the way I read it, or catch shit from the manager. Which means that the counter slaves have two choices: (1) piss off the customer, or (2) piss off their manager. So who signs their paychecks? > [@](#): > > If you’re like me and can make a list of 40 things you’d rather do than cook, and that list includes other household chores, you might want to try my solution. Find someone who cooks to marry. And I mean COOKS. You’ll have to do most of the cleanup afterwards, but it’s beyond worth it. I’ve got you one better, CCL. Papa Tiger not only COOKS, but does most of the cleanup – AND does laundry, and I mean does even my most delicates without ruining them. Frankly, at that point I don’t CARE if it’s an intellectual pursuit or not! Although I hasten to add that Papa Tiger also is frighteningly brilliant and intelligent and can generally mop up the floor with me, so I don’t see his cooking prowess as indicative of any lack of brainpower. (UnoMondo, are you taking notes here?) ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2003, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701/80 "2003-10-06T04:05:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mama Tiger \* > \*\*He was interrupting because that’s the way the register works – have to check off each box in order, was the way I read it, or catch shit from the manager. Which means that the counter slaves have two choices: (1) piss off the customer, or (2) piss off their manager. So who signs their paychecks? > \*\* Still, the “supersize” question was out of sequence. Being asked if he wanted to supersize a meal he hadn’t yet agreed to must have made the customer feel railroaded. And I’ll repeat what I said above: if the customer has made it clear that he only wants sandwiches, the cashier can “check off each box” without having to ask anything. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcrant/204701.md?page=3)