# McVeigh: You're gonna die. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 10, 2001, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331 "2001-06-10T20:11:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2001, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331/1 "2001-06-10T20:11:10Z")
Just popped into my head when I was thinking about time zones. If Oklahoma is on Central time, it will be 5 am my time. ---
**Author:** ![Arden\_Ranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@Arden\_Ranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arden_Ranger)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2001, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331/2 "2001-06-10T20:17:10Z")
It’s scheduled for 8AM EST. It’ll be 7AM here in Oklahoma. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2001, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331/3 "2001-06-10T20:19:33Z")
It’s [Terra Haute Ind.](http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/PREPARATIONS.html) time zone you need to be aware of. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2001, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331/4 "2001-06-10T20:25:01Z")
Hope this is not too much of a thread hijack (and maybe it’s a GQ kind of thing), but is the closed circuit viewing of the execution really “closed” in the sense that nobody else will be able to access this? (And, no…I have no desire to see this)… Will this thing be uploaded to some web site by Tuesday? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2001, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331/5 "2001-06-10T20:29:15Z")
That’s what the Feds are trying to prevent, but don’t be surpised if a copy of the whole event surfaces somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2001, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331/6 "2001-06-10T20:37:27Z")
**beagledave** it all depends. Most likely the answer is “no” as, from what I understand, the whole thing’s going to be encrypted and will only be decripted at the site where the viewing is going to be held. Of course, someone who is dishonest at the site of the execution could tap into the feed before its encrypted and dub off a copy to post later. Or someone might be able to intercept the encrypted transmission and decrypt it. In all truth, I think that no one’s going to be able to do either of those things security will be tight and heavy around everything and the penalties will no doubt be harsh (and repeatedly drummed into the heads of the techs there), so unless someone comes up with large amounts of cash, it ain’t gonna be web fodder. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2001, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331/7 "2001-06-10T20:50:34Z")
Thanks Tuckerfan…a quick google look-see at this kind of thing seems to suggest that it would _technically_ [tough](http://www.thehollandsentinel.net/stories/081398/new_testimony.html), if not impossible to hijack the feed. Also [here](http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001-04-12-mcveigh-video.htm) and [here](http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2001/0412bomber.html) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2001, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331/8 "2001-06-11T02:08:43Z")
I heard about it on tv…and it gave me chills. I mean, I think McVeigh is a total monster…but to be counting down until his death? It’s just too macabre for me. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2001, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331/9 "2001-06-11T03:56:43Z")
Not me. Although I have no personal investment in the event, I am glad to know that at least one scumbag will be dealt with properly. It won’t take a few years before he dies in prison, like Dahmer; he won’t be left to grow more twisted, on the taxpayer’s dime, like Manson or Kazcyinski; and he won’t get the last word by doing it himself, like Koresh. I know that his death won’t bring anyone back. But right now, he must be experiencing the worst kind of fear. And in a few hours, the worst minute of his life will also be the last: knowing that he will die, knowing there’s no way out, and **not** knowing what, if anything, comes afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Zero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c4cdca/32.png) [@Saint\_Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Zero)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2001, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331/10 "2001-06-11T04:37:44Z")
Rilch: I hate to burst the old bubble there, but has been stated zillions of times today, he’s prepared himself well for this. He’s viewing it as a natural part of his actions, and is ready. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2001, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331/11 "2001-06-11T04:55:27Z")
Here’s some things that just hit me and maybe somebody’ll know the answer. If the video does manage to make it to the web, whomever’s responsible is going to get nailed by the Feds pretty hard, but the video will be evidence in the court case, so won’t that make it public record? (And if it does get out, you can bet every network news program will be airing clips of it ad nausem.) Secondly, I wonder if any of the nutbags out there are planning on mounting a “rescue” attempt? (Not that they have a chance in hell of succeeding, but that’s never stopped people from trying.) ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2001, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331/12 "2001-06-11T05:24:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Saint Zero \* > \*\*Rilch: I hate to burst the old bubble there, but has been stated zillions of times today, he’s prepared himself well for this. He’s viewing it as a natural part of his actions, and is ready. > > \*\* He says. Ever see **Angels With Dirty Faces**? ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2001, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331/13 "2001-06-11T13:09:49Z")
7:14 A.M. CST today. It’s official. Too bad they couldn’t do it 167 more times. ---
**Author:** ![Astroboy14](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@Astroboy14](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astroboy14)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2001, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331/14 "2001-06-11T13:14:45Z")
They did it. A while ago. It’s now 10:09 PM (tomorrow for most of you) here in Korea… Huh. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2001, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331/15 "2001-06-11T13:17:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by rastahomie \* > \*\*Too bad they couldn’t do it 167 more times. \*\* I couldn’t agree more, rastahomie. What a freaking bastard. Good riddance. ---
**Author:** ![Journeyman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/779978/32.png) [@Journeyman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Journeyman)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2001, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331/16 "2001-06-11T15:22:46Z")
On one level, I think that he deserved to die. After the pain he caused his victims, the callous selection of his target, death is a just punishment. Right? Or is that too easy? The purpose of our justice system cannot be vengeance. If it’s verdict comes as a sort of revenge to some, than so be it. Revenge is too biased, too emotional, and is rarely, in fact, just. Justice can be seen as tempered vengeance, restrained anger. He should still die, simply because he is too dangerous to society at large to remain alive. He hates the government too much. If given the opportunity, I think he would kill again. While his death may bring some measure of closure to the pain of some, the justice system should not be thought of as avenging the dead so much as protecting the living. ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2001, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331/17 "2001-06-11T15:51:59Z")
Are any of you actually _thinking_ this thing through?! Let’s start with the basics. Why did McVeigh bomb the Murrah Building in the first place? As an answer to the way the U.S. government handled the situations at Waca and Ruby Ridge. In his mind, he was at war with the government and this was a retaliatory strike. By executing him, the government has cemented in the minds of others like McVeigh (albeit wrongly - _very_ wrongly) that there is indeed a war being conducted between the Feds and the population as a whole. McVeigh’s execution is an invitation to more terrorist acts on U.S. soil by these right-wing militia freaks. They’ve made him a martyr to his movement. McVeigh is a monster, no question. But the only fate worthy of justice would have been to let his punk ass rot in jail for the rest of his life while succeeding generations forgot he ever existed. Now that he is dead, his memory will burn brighter and longer in the minds of those who will seek vengeance for it. ---
**Author:** ![Lucki\_Chaarms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lucki\_Chaarms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucki_Chaarms)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2001, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331/18 "2001-06-11T16:19:10Z")
This is wildy, amazingly [creepy.](http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/06/11/mcveigh.02/mcveigh.final.statement.gif) It will no doubt help to make him a hero among the right wing militant folk that will almost inevitably continue the cycle of domestic terrorism. Yikes. That thing, it’s really scary, because while you read it, you feel like he’s heroic too. That’s what really freaked me out. Lucky Charms ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2001, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331/19 "2001-06-11T16:24:47Z")
**Lucky Charms** : That would be _Invictus_, by William Earnest Henley ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2001, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331/20 "2001-06-11T16:45:58Z")
**Johnyy L.A.** - just wanted to say your Doyle quote is eerily appropriate for this thread. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mcveigh-youre-gonna-die/68331.md?page=2)