# ME Buckner: A quiet word please. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 18, 2006, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082 "2006-02-18T13:18:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2006, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/21 "2006-02-19T04:54:31Z")
> [@rayh](#): > > **Tuba** and **Lynn’s** melted down in [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=358611) thread. Oh ok, I had seen that. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2006, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/22 "2006-02-19T16:56:15Z")
In other news, Sevastapol joins the elite group of idiots who post a self-pitting. ---
**Author:** ![Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7993a0/32.png) [@Jamaika\_a\_jamaikaiake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jamaika_a_jamaikaiake)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2006, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/23 "2006-02-19T18:17:19Z")
Just for the record: 1. I have been known, from time to time, to support the Iraq War. 2. I have been known, from time to time, to teach a class entitled ‘Calculus’ at a major research university. 3. I have to agree that ‘calculus’ is much too big a word to use for me. (So, you’re touchy about proper grammar, are you? ) ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2006, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/24 "2006-02-20T17:00:16Z")
If anyone were to think that **Sevastopol** has a valid point in this OP, that person would be a fool, blackguard and reprobate. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2006, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/25 "2006-02-20T23:15:44Z")
Maybe we could see the point if he removed his hat? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/26 "2006-02-21T02:05:58Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Seems as though **Sevastopol** _can_ find his way to the Pit, after all. And by now it seems he’s found his way back out, likely only to return when the forces of masochism again grip him in their padded handcuffs. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/27 "2006-02-21T22:32:48Z")
I must say, I didn’t expect people to revert to frank dishonesty. Without distorting the plain words of my post **Bippy** cannot try at his witticism. > [@Bippy the Beardless](#): > > If anyone were to think that **Sevastopol** has a valid point in this OP, that person would be a fool, blackguard and reprobate. In the same way **MEBuckner** has dishonestly represented my position in his analogy to support a plainly wrong result. Both have changed the words to suggest something insulting, changed them in exactly the place I pointed out the error occurred. Because no honest person can face the words foursquare and find an insult to John Mace. Yet I hadn’t realised people would so freely identify themselves with dishonesty, merely to make an angry post in the pit. Btw, here’s the quote again if any person doubts what I say. > [@](#): > > **Originally Posted by John Mace > I just think the OP is beating a dead horse. Just because someone supported the Iraq War is no reason to expect that person to support an invasion of Iran. As I and other posters pointed out, Iran has many differences from Iraq that make the calculus of war a whole different affair.** > > My, calculus is such a big word to use for an Iraq war supporter. Fools, blackguards and reprobates will remain so, the mission of this board notwithstanding. Instead, **John Mace** who owes me an apology for a false accusation, is nowhere to be seen, nursing his ego. OTOH, I have been fairly aggressive in GD lately, so the suggestion I amend my heat/light ratio was timely. So I’ve no real beef with that. But again, the frank embrace of dishonesty by posts in this thread does surprise me. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/28 "2006-02-21T22:37:24Z")
Just to add that the thread in question is titled **Iraq war supporters: How is Iran Different** , so we know the thread’s subject. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/29 "2006-02-21T22:39:41Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > In other news, Sevastapol joins the elite group of idiots who post a self-pitting. Oh you’re a jew right? And you don’t like what I post about Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/30 "2006-02-21T22:42:33Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > Because no honest person can face the words foursquare and find an insult to John Mace. So, the fact that every single person who has posted to this thread sees a clear and unambiguous insult in your post does not mean that there was, in fact, a clear and unambiguous insult in your post. It means that the SDMB is infested with liars. Perhaps it’s not such a good idea for you to be attempting to identify the quality of honesty in other posters. This is, after all, a board for _informed_ discussion, and it’s increasingly clear that honesty is a subject with which you have precious little experience. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/31 "2006-02-21T22:44:05Z")
Finish your thought, why don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/32 "2006-02-21T22:56:00Z")
On the contrary, no-one has done what you say. As I point out the best efforts revert to parody, changing the wording _exactly where_ I point out the error occurs. Had this been done in good conscience, it would accurately mirror my words. Go ahead and try, feel free. No, it’s not because the SDMB is infested with liars, but being the pit some posters saw the opportunity to take a shot and thought, ‘honesty be damned’. You know what I’d like? Some fair and decent person to appraise the post for its pros and cons vis a vis insult: Wait, what’s this? It’s the anti- **Sevastopol**. Behold **Murmansk**. > [@Sevastopol's imaginary friend Murmansk](#): > > **Sevastopol** , buddy, you and I know about the idiom, _‘that’s a big word for a … to use.’_ It is at the very least demeaning and probably counts as an insult. > > Your post does look like a play on that idiom and it is addressed to **John Mace** , who isn’t the most typologically accurate poster. In addition your recent incendiary history in GD and as **Jackmannii** points out your habit of testing the limits doesn’t incline a moderate reader to a sympathetic reading. > > Sure, you \*might \*have meant it exactly as you say and intended to riff on the weakness of pro-war thinking and Iran-hostility. But who is to know that? ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/33 "2006-02-21T23:00:15Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Finish your thought, why don’t you? BTW **Shodan** I don’t enjoy humiliating you, or even watch you humiliate yourself as in the recent GD thread, along with **DSeid**. Sure I laughed, but I don’t feel proud of that. So um let’s all cool it down OK. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/34 "2006-02-21T23:05:28Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > Instead, **John Mace** who owes me an apology for a false accusation, is nowhere to be seen, nursing his ego. Uhm, post #7 said all I had to say up until this point. “Nowhere to be seen”… is that a lie or are you just too stupid to read your own Pit thread? I owe you an apology, do I? Well, I wouldn’t hold my breath if I were you. If you claim you were misunderstood, all I can say is: learn to write more clearly and quit blaming everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/35 "2006-02-21T23:13:22Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > Oh you’re a jew right? And you don’t like what I post about Israel. Classy. :rolleyes: I’m not even sure what you’re arguing about anymore. Do you honestly still think your original comment was appropriate for GD? It wasn’t. Get over it. Demanding that people Pit you in a manner you agree with isn’t going to change that, or accomplish much of anything, really. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/36 "2006-02-21T23:41:06Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > On the contrary, no-one has done what you say. As I point out the best efforts revert to parody, changing the wording _exactly where_ I point out the error occurs. Had this been done in good conscience, it would accurately mirror my words. Go ahead and try, feel free. Because the error that you suggest exsists does so only in your head. The parody posts provided by **Bippy** and **MEBuckner** are identical to the one you posted in GD, except for the obvious difference in who they were intended to slight. > [@](#): > > No, it’s not because the SDMB is infested with liars, but being the pit some posters saw the opportunity to take a shot and thought, ‘honesty be damned’. You know what I’d like? Some fair and decent person to appraise the post for its pros and cons vis a vis insult: And why is it, do you think, that these posters who have decided to act with deliberate dishonesty, have uniformly insulted you, and not **John Mace**? If their only purpose here is to start shit with someone, regardless of the validity of their position, surely _someone_ would have shown up to take a shot at him. Especially considering that he is one of the few vocal conservatives on an otherwise highly liberal board. And yet, so far, not one single person has taken your side in this thread, either through legitimate argument or pure _ad hominem_. The closest you’ve come is one guy who’s willing to believe you didn’t _intend_ to insult **John Mace** , but still points out the abundantly obvious fact that you did, indeed, directly insult him. All your semantic hand-waving and obsessive gramatical nitpicks don’t change this. If you had an ounce of manhood or an inch of maturity, you’d admit this and apologize. Considering the sort of person you are, however, I expect another three pages of this bullshit, minimum, before a mod puts a bullet in the head of this thread, and if we’re lucky, another one in your posting priviledges. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/37 "2006-02-21T23:49:56Z")
Funny thing is, this is a really lame thread that would die for lack of interest if \*\*Sevie \*\*didn’t keep reviving it. I was pissed off for about 2 seconds in the original thread-- just long enough to post a reply. And, if you were wondering, I didn’t report the post in question to a mod. Either someone else did, or a mod noticed on his/her own. Lame, lame, lame, and beyond lame. And the crack you threw at \*\*Lemur \*\*was pitiful. I hope he comes back in here and gives you an ear full. You deserve it, in spades. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/38 "2006-02-21T23:50:12Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The closest you’ve come is one guy who’s willing to believe you didn’t _intend_ to insult **John Mace** , but still points out the abundantly obvious fact that you did, indeed, directly insult him. If you’re referring to **Murmansk** , that isn’t a real poster, but rather a rhetorical construct by **Sevastopol**. (Murmansk is a city on the opposite side of Russia as Sevastopol, if Google is to be believed.) To avoid confusion, I’ll alter the attribution to reflect that. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2006, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/39 "2006-02-21T23:57:17Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > So um let’s all cool it down OK. You’re telling _me_ to cool it down, you fucking twit? If it feels too hot when you are getting your nose rubbed in it, that is very little of my problem, sonny boy. If you regret anything you said - and you have every reason on earth to feel that way - then withdraw it and apologize. If you still think you’re bad, then bring it on. Regards, Shod ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/40 "2006-02-22T00:03:23Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > If you’re referring to **Murmansk** , that isn’t a real poster, but rather a rhetorical construct by **Sevastopol**. (Murmansk is a city on the opposite side of Russia as Sevastopol, if Google is to be believed.) > > To avoid confusion, I’ll alter the attribution to reflect that. Good sweet Christ, we have to deal with 2 of him now? Schizoid Dopers don’t bother me at all, but the fact this same asshole has 2 personalities? Can you guys at least charge him a double rate as I’m sure with this new awakening we’ll have twice the inanity? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082.md?page=3)