# ME Buckner: A quiet word please. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 18, 2006, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082 "2006-02-18T13:18:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/41 "2006-02-22T00:05:00Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Good sweet Christ, we have to deal with 2 of him now? Schizoid Dopers don’t bother me at all, but the fact this same asshole has 2 personalities? Can you guys at least charge him a double rate as I’m sure with this new awakening we’ll have twice the inanity? Hey, at least **Murmansk** actually made sense. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/42 "2006-02-22T00:05:24Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > If you’re referring to **Murmansk** , that isn’t a real poster, but rather a rhetorical construct by **Sevastopol**. (Murmansk is a city on the opposite side of Russia as Sevastopol, if Google is to be believed.) > > To avoid confusion, I’ll alter the attribution to reflect that. Ah. I’d wondered about the coincidence with the names, but figured that inventing imaginary posters to support his position was too much even for **Sevastopol**. I need to stop over-estimating this guy. ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/43 "2006-02-22T00:29:31Z")
Ill try a little harder My, ‘witticism’ is such a big word to use for someone who considers this OP has any merit. Fools, blackguards and reprobates will remain so, the mission of this board notwithstanding. ps. I susspect if you were to try and write more concisely and clearly you wouldn’t end up making statements that seem to many to be insults. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/44 "2006-02-22T01:08:54Z")
This is just weaselly hairsplitting and evasion to avoid admitting that he was a jerk. We’ve seen it a few thousand times (I’ve even engaged in it myself). It won’t mater if we stop posting to this thread, because he’ll just start another at the next trivial provocation, even if it exists solely in his own mind. Best to heap on the scorn, drive him to critical mass and enjoy the ride. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/45 "2006-02-22T01:10:39Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Classy. :rolleyes: > > I’m not even sure what you’re arguing about anymore. Do you honestly still think your original comment was appropriate for GD? It wasn’t. Get over it. Demanding that people Pit you in a manner you agree with isn’t going to change that, or accomplish much of anything, really. Sure, but I’m addressing the grammer. No-one will out and out say admit an error was made. You won’t claim that MEB correctly interpreted the grammer, will you? With **Lemur866** I’m addressing the dishonesty, this being the pit, I rather thought I was being too civil. My post is the blunt truth. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/46 "2006-02-22T01:17:05Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The parody posts provided by **Bippy** and **MEBuckner** are identical to the one you posted in GD, except for the obvious difference in who they were intended to slight. > . It’s worth pointed it thier dishonesty and yours. Parody is an effective tool for bringing out the truth in a phrase. **Bippy** and **MEBuckner** drafted their parodies, realized the reflection of my words didn’t make an effective parody and omitted/changed the _crucial_ words to serve the end they had decided on. A fair parody would work, to show the weakness of **MEBuckner** ’s position. e,g **hammering things to tables** Hammers: ballpeens, sledges, and needlenose are useful for bashing things to tables with nails and thumbtacks. My, a ballpeen is a big hammer to use for a thumbtack. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/47 "2006-02-22T01:19:29Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > You’re telling _me_ to cool it down, you fucking twit? > > If it feels too hot when you are getting your nose rubbed in it, that is very little of my problem, sonny boy. If you regret anything you said - and you have every reason on earth to feel that way - then withdraw it and apologize. If you still think you’re bad, then bring it on. > > Regards, > Shod Are you that dumb that you really haven’t worked it out yet? You really need to have a quiet chat with **DSeid**. Sorry I tried to go easy on you, won’t make the same mistake again. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/48 "2006-02-22T01:21:56Z")
> [@Bippy the Beardless](#): > > Ill try a little harder > > My, ‘witticism’ is such a big word to use for someone who considers this OP has any merit. Fools, blackguards and reprobates will remain so, the mission of this board notwithstanding. > > ps. I susspect if you were to try and write more concisely and clearly you wouldn’t end up making statements that seem to many to be insults. No, it’s still no good. You’re trying to hard to achieve a result rather than doing a parody to bring out the meaning of the words. For instance: this doesn’t make any sense “‘witticism’ is such a big word to use **for** someone who.” Think about the “for.” I don’t know why I’m crediting you with good faith, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/49 "2006-02-22T01:26:05Z")
_The audience is curiously embarassed._ - Tom Wolfe ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/50 "2006-02-22T01:37:18Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > Sure, but I’m addressing the grammer. No-one will out and out say admit an error was made. You won’t claim that MEB correctly interpreted the grammer, will you? I don’t care about grammar. I claim that **MEBuckner** was correct to warn you for personal insults in GD based on that post of yours. Are you arguing that the warning was not justified? ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/51 "2006-02-22T01:51:54Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > I don’t care about grammar. I claim that **MEBuckner** was correct to warn you for personal insults in GD based on that post of yours. Are you arguing that the warning was not justified? Grammar is important. It’s how you find out what a post is saying. You and MEB have said grammer be damned we’ll decided what a post says, irrespective of what it actually says. Is that a fair way to moderate? In fact the only coherent reading of my post is the meaning I’m attributing to it, namely a criticism of **John Mace’s** choice of words to describe the thinking of Iraq war supporters. That’s not a personal insult and on that basis the warning was not justified. Remember the thread was all about Iraq war supporters. I was leading on with the following sentence [Reprobates etc] to argue for support for the Iraq war stemming from poor moral character. I’ve recalled that **John Mace** mentioned earlier in the thread that he wasn’t an Iraq war supporter [in fact he repeated that later in the thread]. I knew that at the time and thought to argue with his view of how people come to support it. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/52 "2006-02-22T02:02:37Z")
And while we are talking about classy, I’ve just noticed a post by a moderator was deleted in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7119565#post7119565) where he skirted pretty close to the rule about quoting people accurately. So there’s some conscience at work back there. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/53 "2006-02-22T02:05:40Z")
Ah, so your argument is “but I’m not touching you!” (spoken while holding your finger a millimeter away from your sister’s face). Any normal person reading your original post will read it as an insult directed at **John Mace**. Even if you can later prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you didn’t intend it as such, the effect is the same. The burden is on you not to say things that most people will read as insults, not on us to research your history with **John Mace** and decide what your likely intent was. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/54 "2006-02-22T02:17:25Z")
**Captain Amazing** in the thread read it properly as an attack on the morals of Iraq war supporters generally [including as it later turned out himself]. I’ve posted the link earlier in this thread. The post wasn’t a tricky way of insulting **John Mace** who by and large I respect as a poster. And I think if I use the English language properly, which is the language of this board, them I’m at least entitled to the benefit of the doubt when an ambiguity later comes up. By contrast I had an earlier warning for slightly insulting someone in GD. Slight, but fair enough I thought, won’t do that again. So it’s not like I’m a serial complainer, but in this case, I just think you’ve got it wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/55 "2006-02-22T02:22:46Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Ah, so your argument is “but I’m not touching you!” (spoken while holding your finger a millimeter away from your sister’s face). > … And no, that isn’t my argument. **JM** threw himself in my line of fire, after the fact, then cried “missed” in a later post. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/56 "2006-02-22T02:44:31Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Ah, so your argument is “but I’m not touching you!” (spoken while holding your finger a millimeter away from your sister’s face). I have two younger sisters. That was the greatest game I’ve ever played! 😃 I love watching records in the making. The length of rope **SeveredStool** will end up hanging himself with will be one for the ages. Wings and beer at my house for anyone that wants to make a party of it. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/57 "2006-02-22T02:47:32Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > The post wasn’t a tricky way of insulting **John Mace** who by and large I respect as a poster. Well, we’ve just set the benchmark of dishonesty. Let me raise the bar and say I respect your opinions. You’re getting your ass handed to you here and try to make nice with that bullshit? Weak, dude. Weak. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/58 "2006-02-22T03:24:01Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > It’s worth pointed it thier dishonesty and yours. Parody is an effective tool for bringing out the truth in a phrase. **Bippy** and **MEBuckner** drafted their parodies, realized the reflection of my words didn’t make an effective parody and omitted/changed the _crucial_ words to serve the end they had decided on. Who, exactly, am I lying to when I point out the clear meaning of your post? You? Am I trying to fool you into thinking you wrote something you hadn’t? It’s a tempting strategy, I admit: I can almost believe you’re stupid enough to fall for it. Am I lying to other readers? Readers who can easily go to the thread and read your post, in it’s proper context, and decide on their own? That would be a pretty futile lie, and by this point, surely _someone_ would have gone, looked, and come back to defend you. And yet, there’s a curious silence when it comes to people agreeing with you in this thread. How do you explain that? How does it happen that every single person who can be arsed to post to this thread can clearly see an insult in what you wrote? Conspiracy? ---
**Author:** ![Updike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@Updike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Updike)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/59 "2006-02-22T04:38:02Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > And I think if I use the English language properly, which is the language of this board, them I’m at least entitled to the benefit of the doubt when an ambiguity later comes up. That’s a pretty big “if”. “Grammer”? A town in Indiana, ZIP Code 47236 ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2006, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082/60 "2006-02-22T17:19:30Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > No, it’s still no good. You’re trying to hard to achieve a result rather than doing a parody to bring out the meaning of the words. > > For instance: this doesn’t make any sense “‘witticism’ is such a big word to use **for** someone who.” Think about the “for.” > > I don’t know why I’m crediting you with good faith, anyway. Yet **for** is precisely the word you used in your first quote My, calculus is such a big word to use **for** an Iraq war supporter. Fools, blackguards and reprobates will remain so, the mission of this board notwithstanding. I am not trying to prove a point about what you said, but how it was said in such a manner that could easily lead someone to believe your intent was to insult **John Mace**. I am crediting you with the inteligence to know that the clarity of your writing is important in avoiding misscomunication. You know how to use the language, probably better than I, but your ability to communicate effectively using that language skill needs to be worked on if you wish to avoid giving missleading ompressions of your true intended meaning. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/me-buckner-a-quiet-word-please/345082.md?page=4)