# Media too pro-muslim? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 27, 2016, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303 "2016-02-27T16:07:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2016, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303/161 "2016-03-04T13:47:08Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Errrrr… Punjabis are only the largest group if you count Pakistani Punjab residents as “punjabi”. Which near a plurality are not. Okay, I got this from [(you guessed it!).](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Pakistan#Ethnic_groups) If I’m wrong about that point, I’ll happily concede it, but I don’t believe I’m wrong to dispute the OP’s claim that Pakistanis are generally more closely related to Middle Easterners than to Indians. ---
**Author:** ![Civilrighte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/fbc32d/32.png) [@Civilrighte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Civilrighte)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2016, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303/162 "2016-03-04T13:50:22Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Again, I did no such thing. > > And what do Persians look like? > > There’s quite a variety in India of “what people look like” and yet those people are still Indian. > > Prove it. Provide a link to a reputable source. > > Yet again, prove it. Provide a link to a reputable source. The purpose of this thread was to voice my anger at people hiding behind the veil of “Islamaphobia” when the criticism has nothing to do with Islam! You seem to know a lot about Indians but cannot tell the difference between Indians and Pakistanis. I suggest you Google what Persians look like, and about anthropology of Pakistanis. Pakistanis are both a nationality and race, just like Turks. There are a few Pakistanis that are North Indian, but the vast majority are racially closer to Middle Easterners. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2016, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303/163 "2016-03-04T13:55:30Z")
> [@Civilrighte](#): > > Pakistanis are both a nationality and race, just like Turks. There are a few Pakistanis that are North Indian, but the vast majority are racially closer to Middle Easterners. You keep saying things like this without a cite. Science disagrees with you. If you can’t provide cites to prove your points, no one will take them seriously. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2016, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303/164 "2016-03-04T14:07:40Z")
> [@Civilrighte](#): > > The purpose of this thread was to voice my anger at people hiding behind the veil of “Islamaphobia” when the criticism has nothing to do with Islam! > > You seem to know a lot about Indians but cannot tell the difference between Indians and Pakistanis. I suggest you Google what Persians look like, and about anthropology of Pakistanis. > > Pakistanis are both a nationality and race, just like Turks. There are a few Pakistanis that are North Indian, but the vast majority are racially closer to Middle Easterners. Okay. We will refer to your statements specifically as “Paki-bashing” instead of Islamophobia. Better? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2016, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303/165 "2016-03-04T14:10:36Z")
> [@Civilrighte](#): > > The purpose of this thread was to voice my anger at people hiding behind the veil of “Islamaphobia” when the criticism has nothing to do with Islam! Then you might want to consider how you’re coming across with your lack of facts and, basically, ill-informed ranting. > [@](#): > > You seem to know a lot about Indians but cannot tell the difference between Indians and Pakistanis. Huh? Do you ever read what you type? > [@](#): > > I suggest you Google what Persians look like, and about anthropology of Pakistanis. I daresay a number of posters here–well-informed posters, mind you–might have a suggestion for you: Learn of what you speak. > [@](#): > > Pakistanis are both a nationality and race, just like Turks. There are a few Pakistanis that are North Indian, but the vast majority are racially closer to Middle Easterners. Have fun reading this from [Wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Pakistan). You’re incredibly ignorant on the issues you’re spouting. Instead of making snide comments to other posters, why don’t you learn something before shooting off your mouth again? Face it: the only way your argument works is if people accept your made-up definitions. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2016, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303/166 "2016-03-04T17:18:08Z")
> [@Civilrighte](#): > > You seem to know a lot about Indians but cannot tell the difference between Indians and Pakistanis. I suggest you Google what Persians look like, and about anthropology of Pakistanis. That’s not how debates work. As the proponent of a claim (ridiculous or otherwise), the burden of proof is on you. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2016, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303/167 "2016-03-04T18:34:01Z")
Being opinionated is hardly as impressive as being informed. And you are frightfully ill informed on most everything you’re carrying on about. Your ignorance verily shines through in all you write. ---
**Author:** ![Civilrighte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/fbc32d/32.png) [@Civilrighte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Civilrighte)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2016, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303/168 "2016-03-05T10:55:06Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Then you might want to consider how you’re coming across with your lack of facts and, basically, ill-informed ranting. > > Huh? Do you ever read what you type? > > I daresay a number of posters here–well-informed posters, mind you–might have a suggestion for you: Learn of what you speak. > > Have fun reading this from [Wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Pakistan). > > You’re incredibly ignorant on the issues you’re spouting. Instead of making snide comments to other posters, why don’t you learn something before shooting off your mouth again? Face it: the only way your argument works is if people accept your made-up definitions. Next you’ll be ranting about the Aryan invasion theory and that Pakistanis created Hinduism and Islam. I’ve had enough dealings with Pakistanis online to realize how racist they can be. While North Indians are found in Pakistan, the majority of Pakistanis are part of an ethnic group that spans all the way up to Iran. Even a toddler manges to Google shit, and I’m on a shitty iPad - The point of this thread was to discuss pro-muslim racism in liberal media and how people are using Islamaphobia for everything. It’s like complaining that police brutality against blacks is colorism… ---
**Author:** ![Shoujin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoujin/32/3884_2.png) [@Shoujin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoujin)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2016, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303/169 "2016-03-05T11:29:07Z")
There seems to be some miscommunication here. As this topic is currently in Great Debates, it is incumbent upon yourself to provide proof to back up your OP. Your response to questions and commentary is “google it.” If you want to be taken seriously in this topic, support your claims with cites. Just FYI. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2016, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303/170 "2016-03-05T12:53:44Z")
> [@Civilrighte](#): > > Next you’ll be ranting about the Aryan invasion theory and that Pakistanis created Hinduism and Islam. Actually, I will be doing no such thing. Unlike your posts, mine tend to stay on the side of facts. > [@](#): > > I’ve had enough dealings with Pakistanis online to realize how racist they can be. Sounds like a bigoted comment to me. > [@](#): > > While North Indians are found in Pakistan, the majority of Pakistanis are part of an ethnic group that spans all the way up to Iran. Even a toddler manges to Google shit, and I’m on a shitty iPad And what ethnic group would that be? “Pakistani” is not an ethnic group–that fact has already been pointed out to you by another poster in this very thread. > [@](#): > > - The point of this thread was to discuss pro-muslim racism in liberal media and how people are using Islamaphobia for everything. It’s like complaining that police brutality against blacks is colorism… Muslims aren’t a race either. The rest of your paragraph makes no sense. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2016, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303/171 "2016-03-05T14:34:24Z")
Colorism? Pro Muslim racism? What the devil are you talking about? Let me assure you, everyone NOT inside your head, has no freaking idea what you’re talking about. All attempts to get you to show us, give us examples, all attempts to point out facts that conflict with your tale, fall on deaf ears. What’s the point of posting your nonsense if you can’t be arsed to make yourself understood to the people you’re trying to engage with? Instead you again bleat how they are unattractive and are undeserving of some imaginary advantage you perceive but cannot explain or demonstrate to others. ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303/172 "2016-03-05T16:33:24Z")
From personnel experience the problem could be religion, through the EDL I got to know a group of Pakistani Christion’s who were a great bunch and easy to get on with While working in Birmingham I got to know a Muslim Pakistani and we became friends, but it was hard work the problem being that his fellow Muslims had problems with him having a none Muslim as a friend, a comparison would be as a boy Catholics would not play with Protestants and visa versa ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2016, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303/173 "2016-03-05T17:00:26Z")
The media aren’t so much pro-Muslim as anti-anti-Muslim. ---
**Author:** ![Civilrighte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/fbc32d/32.png) [@Civilrighte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Civilrighte)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2016, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303/174 "2016-03-06T05:11:23Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Actually, I will be doing no such thing. Unlike your posts, mine tend to stay on the side of facts. > > Sounds like a bigoted comment to me. > > And what ethnic group would that be? “Pakistani” is not an ethnic group–that fact has already been pointed out to you by another poster in this very thread. > > Muslims aren’t a race either. The rest of your paragraph makes no sense. 1. As a South Indian, I consider it to be racist (due to historic colonial racism) to lump Pakistanis in with Indians, and many other South Indians feel the same. So I have just as much right to call you bigoted. 2. Please Google the shit. It’s not even the point I’m trying to debate in this thread. A simple search wields everything from “some Pakistanis are Punjabi, the rest are Iranian” to “most Pakistanis could pass for Middle Easterners”. 3. Several major news outlets think that racism against muslims is possible. Again, Google is your friend. Finally, liberal media DOES pay undue attention to Islam, and tries to paint it as positive or progressive. Why else would there be so many articles about Islam in the liberal press? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2016, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303/175 "2016-03-06T05:46:51Z")
> [@Civilrighte](#): > > 1. As a South Indian, I consider it to be racist (due to historic colonial racism) to lump Pakistanis in with Indians But historic colonial racism **didn’t** “lump Pakistanis in with Indians”, in that there \*\*were \*\* no Pakistanis in the colonial period, because there was no Pakistan. So 😕 ?? At Partition, there was a large-scale Hindu-Muslim redistribution between the two countries, but the vast majority of South Asian Muslims in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh are descended from non-Muslim South Asians rather than (or, in addition to) Turkish or Persian Muslim immigrants. > [@](#): > > Finally, liberal media DOES pay undue attention to Islam, and tries to paint it as positive or progressive. Why else would there be so many articles about Islam in the liberal press? :dubious: Got a cite for an article describing Islam **as a whole** as “positive or progressive”? (As opposed to merely challenging popular claims that Islam as a whole is simply irredeemably terrible, that is.) ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2016, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303/176 "2016-03-06T11:52:00Z")
Monty, CuvilRighte- Both of you are close to the edge. Dial back the personal comments right now, please. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2016, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303/177 "2016-03-06T12:13:30Z")
> [@Civilrighte](#): > > 1. As a South Indian, I consider it to be racist (due to historic colonial racism) to lump Pakistanis in with Indians, and many other South Indians feel the same. So I have just as much right to call you bigoted. > > 2. Please Google the shit. It’s not even the point I’m trying to debate in this thread. A simple search wields everything from “some Pakistanis are Punjabi, the rest are Iranian” to “most Pakistanis could pass for Middle Easterners”. > > 3. Several major news outlets think that racism against muslims is possible. Again, Google is your friend. > > Finally, liberal media DOES pay undue attention to Islam, and tries to paint it as positive or progressive. Why else would there be so many articles about Islam in the liberal press? Googling has revealed that your assertions about Pakistanis are bunk. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2016, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303/178 "2016-03-06T12:36:01Z")
“Not even the point I’m trying to debate.” And again, no one knows what freaking point you’re trying to make, or what you’re trying to debate. Because you apparently cannot made yourself understood, entirely through your own lack of effort. Maybe, if you cited actual examples, or facts, or, well anything beyond just whining they get some imaginary advantage and you think they’re ugly, we would know what it is you’d like to debate! But you don’t have any kind of cohesive position, that any of us can detect. Not interested in actual facts, which totally conflict with you assertions. Plus you don’t have any actual examples of this imagined pro Muslim advantage, either. Do you just imagine we would take your clearly uninformed opinion as truth because ‘you say so’? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2016, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303/179 "2016-03-06T13:03:58Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Monty, CuvilRighte- > > Both of you are close to the edge. Dial back the personal comments right now, please. I did not make a personal comment–I clearly addressed the post. Of course I’ll follow mod instructions. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2016, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303/180 "2016-03-07T14:08:45Z")
> [@Civilrighte](#): > > Please Google the shit. That is not how this works. _You_ Google it and then link to (and preferably quote) whatever sources you believe back up your claims. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/media-too-pro-muslim/747303.md?page=8)