# Meenie7's invisible friend **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 22, 2008, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409 "2008-07-22T19:38:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![meenie7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7993a0/32.png) [@meenie7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/meenie7)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2008, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409/61 "2008-07-23T03:11:22Z")
[QUOTE=j666] Do I “believe” **meenie’s** story? No.\*\* \*\* Sorry, **meenie** , but I don’t. [/QUOTE] That’s okay 🙂 I am completely aware that people won’t believe me a lot of the time, and really, \*shouldn’t \* believe me – they don’t see him, or talk to him or any of it. I wouldn’t believe a story like mine either from someone else, but I would believe that they thought it to be true, and write it off as a harmless little quirk unless they were wasting money on psychics over it or using it as a basis for their own money-grabbing scam. ---
**Author:** ![meenie7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7993a0/32.png) [@meenie7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/meenie7)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2008, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409/62 "2008-07-23T03:15:20Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] But this was not an MHO or MPSIMS thread. It was posted in Great Debates. People are not supposed to just be able to post patently ridiculous, bullshit assertions without getting called on it. [/QUOTE] Just one little point, though. At the time I first posted about Marcus, the thread was in IMHO. It was moved to Great Debates then. If it had started in Great Debates, I probably never would have posted in it, because I know that people get all riled up there about this sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2008, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409/63 "2008-07-23T03:16:32Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] Geez, Dio, this thread is dickish even for _you_. meenie isn’t trying to get her friend a green card or campaigning for his right to drive an SUV covered in pro-Bush stickers while clubbing a baby seal with a cellphone. Her belief isn’t harming anyone, arguably not even herself, certainly not this board. This is why there’s such a sharp divide among the atheists on this board - between you, Der Trihs, pseudotron ruber ruber and the rest of us who _aren’t_ determinedly assholic. [/QUOTE] She posted that crap in GD.Why should she get a pass? I’m not even really pitting _her_ (at least not unless and until we know for sure that she’s lying instead of deluded), so much as I’m pitting the passive, bovine acceptance of utter horseshit in the debate forum. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2008, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409/64 "2008-07-23T03:17:52Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] But this was not an MHO or MPSIMS thread. It was posted in Great Debates. People are not supposed to just be able to post patently ridiculous, bullshit assertions without getting called on it. . [/QUOTE] It was originally an IMHO thread before being moved to GD. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2008, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409/65 "2008-07-23T03:18:43Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] She posted that crap in GD.Why should she get a pass? I’m not even really pitting _her_ (at least not unless and until we know for sure that she’s lying instead of deluded), so much as I’m pitting the passive, bovine acceptance of utter horseshit in the debate forum. [/QUOTE] Shut the fuck up, you fucking troll. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2008, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409/66 "2008-07-23T03:19:45Z")
[QUOTE=meenie7] That’s okay 🙂 I am completely aware that people won’t believe me a lot of the time, and really, \*shouldn’t \* believe me – they don’t see him, or talk to him or any of it. I wouldn’t believe a story like mine either from someone else, but I would believe that they thought it to be true, and write it off as a harmless little quirk unless they were wasting money on psychics over it or using it as a basis for their own money-grabbing scam. [/QUOTE] Seriously. make an appointment and talk to somebody. There is no such thing as ghosts, m’kay. There is not even the slightest possibility that “Marcus” really exists. If you truly believe this crap (and I’m dubious that you do), then you have a mental disorder and you need to be treated. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2008, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409/67 "2008-07-23T03:21:14Z")
[QUOTE=Frank] Shut the fuck up, you fucking troll. [/QUOTE] Are you making this accusation as a moderator? Do you think I don’t believe every word I’m saying? Do you actually have a substantive objection to any of it? What am I saying that isn’t true? Has it now become against the rules to want people to show a little rigor in the debate forum? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2008, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409/68 "2008-07-23T03:23:43Z")
[QUOTE=Autolycus] It was originally an IMHO thread before being moved to GD. [/QUOTE] Everybody still carried on the same after it got moved. You’ll notice I never said a word while it was still in IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2008, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409/69 "2008-07-23T03:24:53Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] She posted that crap in GD.Why should she get a pass? I’m not even really pitting _her_ (at least not unless and until we know for sure that she’s lying instead of deluded), so much as I’m pitting the passive, bovine acceptance of utter horseshit in the debate forum. [/QUOTE] Not many people gave her a “pass” the way ir ead it. Read the thread carefully, people challenged her, but they gave her **constructive ways to test it** and were nice about it rather than sticking their fingers in their ears and going “LALALA YOU’RE WRONG LALALA. STUPID HEAD DELUSIONAL FREAK!” > [@dio](#): > > Seriously. make an appointment and talk to somebody. There is no such thing as ghosts, m’kay. There is not even the slightest possibility that “Marcus” really exists. If you truly believe this crap (and I’m dubious that you do), then you have a mental disorder and you need to be treated. Why NOT test it? You’re using the exact same non-logic people use to prove angels and UFOs and ghosts. Meaning that you’re refusing the mere possibility of evidence to the contrary. Do I think it will test out positive? No. But there is _absolutely nothing to lose_ by doing a simple test. It’s not like meenie isn’t functioning. She seems perfectly happy, if she were miserable because of it I’d say it’s not worth it and tell her to just get medication, but given her apparent state of being there’s no reason not to just hold out and see how it pans. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2008, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409/70 "2008-07-23T03:26:41Z")
[QUOTE=Jragon] Not many people gave her a “pass” the way ir ead it. Read the thread carefully, people challenged her, but they gave her **constructive ways to test it** and were nice about it rather than sticking their fingers in their ears and going “LALALA YOU’RE WRONG LALALA. STUPID HEAD DELUSIONAL FREAK!” Why NOT test it? [/quote] Because it’s not possible to perform a legitimate, controlled, scientific test on a message board. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2008, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409/71 "2008-07-23T03:31:45Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Because it’s not possible to perform a legitimate, controlled, scientific test on a message board. [/QUOTE] No, but she can do a personal test. If she’s pleased with the results she can follow up. We gave her a simple idea and told her to report back. It won’t mean much to **us** immediately since it’s not controlled, but it will personally give her an answer that she can do whatever she needs with. If she’s really truly experiencing this and it doesn’t work it may finally convince her she was wrong and needs help. We can press for a controlled environment if her personal uncontrolled test seems to work out. Who knows, we may get our answer in a controlled environment, but it seems that’s never going to occur unless she agrees to prove it to herself with an uncontrolled one first. The possibility of getting evidence from reputable sources at a later date is worth getting potentially bad evidence right now. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2008, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409/72 "2008-07-23T03:31:56Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Are you making this accusation as a moderator? Do you think I don’t believe every word I’m saying? Do you actually have a substantive objection to any of it? What am I saying that isn’t true? Has it now become against the rules to want people to show a little rigor in the debate forum? [/QUOTE] Do you see “Moderator Notes:” or, perhaps, “Moderator Warning:” in the title, you fucking troll? No? Then I’m a poster, you fucking troll. How am I to know if you mean it? You claimed, after gloating that someone died a horrible death, that that was hyperbole. That you were only glad he was dead, that you were not glad he suffered. I didn’t believe you; why should I believe you now? Why should I believe anything you say? You’re a liar, a bullshitter, a troll; far beyond **meenie7** ’s harmless nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2008, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409/73 "2008-07-23T03:33:57Z")
[QUOTE=Frank] Do you see “Moderator Notes:” or, perhaps, “Moderator Warning:” in the title, you fucking troll? No? Then I’m a poster, you fucking troll. How am I to know if you mean it? You claimed, after gloating that someone died a horrible death, that that was hyperbole. That you were only glad he was dead, that you were not glad he suffered. I didn’t believe you; why should I believe you now? Why should I believe anything you say? You’re a liar, a bullshitter, a troll; far beyond **meenie7** ’s harmless nonsense. [/QUOTE] If you’re so sure that I’m a troll, then why aren’t you warning me? By the way, there’s nothing harmless about schizophrenia. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2008, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409/74 "2008-07-23T03:35:23Z")
[QUOTE=Jragon] No, but she can do a personal test. If she’s pleased with the results she can follow up. We gave her a simple idea and told her to report back. It won’t mean much to **us** immediately since it’s not controlled, but it will personally give her an answer that she can do whatever she needs with. If she’s really truly experiencing this and it doesn’t work it may finally convince her she was wrong and needs help. We can press for a controlled environment if her personal uncontrolled test seems to work out. Who knows, we may get our answer in a controlled environment, but it seems that’s never going to occur unless she agrees to prove it to herself with an uncontrolled one first. The possibility of getting evidence from reputable sources at a later date is worth getting potentially bad evidence right now. [/QUOTE] There would be nothing verifiable about it. She can post whatever she wants. It would have no value to a _debate_ on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![meenie7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7993a0/32.png) [@meenie7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/meenie7)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2008, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409/75 "2008-07-23T03:39:39Z")
[QUOTE=Jragon] It’s not like meenie isn’t functioning. She seems perfectly happy [/QUOTE] This is why I haven’t rushed out to a doctor yet, as, keep in mind, this has been going on for 8 years, since I was 20. If I was really schizophrenic, I think I would have progressed to the “aliens are stealing my mail/where’s my tin foil hat/I can’t take a shower or the goblins will eat me” area by now. If it was fake, all it does is make me happy, and if it’s real, then it makes me happy, too. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2008, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409/76 "2008-07-23T03:40:35Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] If you’re so sure that I’m a troll, then why aren’t you warning me? [/quote] I’ll warn you, as I stated quite clearly in the other thread, when I belive you are harming the board, as a moderator. > [@](#): > > By the way, there’s nothing harmless about schizophrenia. I’ll warn **meenie7** when I believe she is harming the board, as a moderator. In the meantime, there is no reason I cannot post my feelings as a member. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2008, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409/77 "2008-07-23T03:42:37Z")
[QUOTE=meenie7] This is why I haven’t rushed out to a doctor yet, as, keep in mind, this has been going on for 8 years, since I was 20. If I was really schizophrenic, I think I would have progressed to the “aliens are stealing my mail/where’s my tin foil hat/I can’t take a shower or the goblins will eat me” area by now. If it was fake, all it does is make me happy, and if it’s real, then it makes me happy, too. [/QUOTE] And **Frank** says _I’m_ full of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2008, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409/78 "2008-07-23T03:43:35Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Everybody still carried on the same after it got moved. You’ll notice I never said a word while it was still in IMHO. [/QUOTE] So what’s everyone supposed to do, just drop the subject after it goes to GD? Start pounding **meenie’s** vag with the fist of wisdom? All I see is a bunch of dicks. Can’t you ever just be nice? Seriously, GD will be fine. It’s just one thread. There is no floodgate of irrationality waiting to burst upon the holy land of dopery. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2008, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409/79 "2008-07-23T03:46:27Z")
[QUOTE=Autolycus] Can’t you ever just be nice? [/QUOTE] Whoever heard of a nice **Cynic**? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2008, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409/80 "2008-07-23T03:46:57Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] And **Frank** says _I’m_ full of shit. [/QUOTE] I have never said that being full of shit is a quality that is exclusively yours. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meenie7s-invisible-friend/457409.md?page=5)