# Meet Bernie Sanders **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 5, 2016, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207 "2016-02-05T04:32:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207/41 "2016-03-09T23:14:49Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Besides, it’s not just about the _contents_. People are interested in provenance and methods too. OK, so we’ll go into detail on every chemical used in the fertilizers on organic food, too, being sure to mark all the ones known to be carcinogenic and/or explosive. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2016, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207/42 "2016-03-09T23:21:09Z")
Come on. People should be able to know what their food is, what’s in it, where it comes from, how it’s made. The organic-certification label is a known standard; anyone who’s interested can look up the details. But without a GMO labeling standard, there is no way people can distinguish the traditional species from their engineered versions. What, exactly, is the problem with requiring such a standard in labeling, along with all the others already in use? ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207/43 "2016-03-10T02:26:24Z")
Screw Bolshevik Bernie, who is bad for America and her allies around the world. Those who live in nations that are our [allies know it](http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/335326/israelis-prefer-hillary-clinton-to-bernie-sanders-by-2-1-margin/). ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207/44 "2016-03-10T02:36:41Z")
Please take this hijack to the new GD thread on why GMO labeling is a good idea: > **[Why GMO labeling is a good idea](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=786583)** > > In another thread: It’s still nutritional information. Genetically modified organisms not only have new genes, they have new proteins coded for by those genes, which is usually the point. Someone might have an allergic reaction to an introduced... ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207/45 "2016-03-10T02:42:37Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Screw Bolshevik Bernie, who is bad for America and her allies around the world. Those who live in nations that are our [allies know it](http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/335326/israelis-prefer-hillary-clinton-to-bernie-sanders-by-2-1-margin/). Well, living way on the other side of the world, I’m sure they would know…better? 😕 More seriously, _of course_ people in foreign countries are more likely to say they prefer Hillary Clinton; they already know her. What’s interesting is how many people in Western Europe actually recommend Bernie Sanders as “the sane one.” (And that’s before you get into leftist criticism of Sanders as giving insufficient attention to party-building and voter education, and therefore less worthy of political respect than a radical democrat like Jeremy Corbyn.) ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207/46 "2016-03-10T02:45:08Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Please take this hijack to the new GD thread on why GMO labeling is a good idea: > > [Why GMO labeling is a good idea - Great Debates - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=786583) And I think it is a good idea for non-ideological public health reasons; it’s easier to identify probable allergens in GM-introduced proteins if we know where they are. (Posters getting on Bernie’s case over asking for _labeling_ just show how knee-jerk, fanatical, and hateful the pro-GMO side can appear, even as they accuse anti-GMO protestors of being fanatical or superstitious. Relax, guys.) ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207/47 "2016-03-10T02:50:48Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Screw Bolshevik Bernie, who is bad for America and her allies around the world. Those who live in nations that are our [allies know it](http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/335326/israelis-prefer-hillary-clinton-to-bernie-sanders-by-2-1-margin/). Australia, the UK, Germany and France are also your allies and support for Sanders is very strong in those countries. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207/48 "2016-03-10T03:40:49Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Australia, the UK, Germany and France are also your allies and support for Sanders is very strong in those countries. I care about allies who don’t cower to radical Islamic terror, not ones in decline due to Islamization. Israel isn’t letting millions of anti-American immigrants join their electorates like the Europeons are. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207/49 "2016-03-10T03:45:36Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I care about allies who don’t cower to radical Islamic terror, not ones in decline due to Islamization. Israel isn’t letting millions of anti-American immigrants join their electorates like the Europeons are. Australia has been the US strongest ally since world war II. We sent troops to every single war you fought in, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Australia was there. Did Israel send troops to any of those? Nope. And Australia has single payer healthcare, and we like Bernie. Deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207/50 "2016-03-10T18:27:38Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > A list of ingredients is not anti-science fear-mongering – why is a GMO label anti-science fear-mongering? It’s all the same, all a matter of letting people know what they’re eating. I see no good reason to **ban** GMO foods, but labeling is purely unobjectionable. Of course its objectionable. The entire point behind trying to label GMO products is to make people think there is something wrong with it. If it was merely a device to let people who didn’t want to eat GMO products avoid GMO products, they could use labeling saying that it was NOT GMO, like they do with organic foods. GMO labelling is merely anti-science fearmongering. > **[Labels for GMO Foods Are a Bad Idea](http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/labels-for-gmo-foods-are-a-bad-idea/)** > > Mandatory labels for genetically modified foods are a bad idea > **[The Misleading War on GMOs: The Food Is Safe. The Rhetoric Is Dangerous.](https://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/07/are_gmos_safe_yes_the_case_against_them_is_full_of_fraud_lies_and_errors.html)** > > Is genetically engineered food dangerous? Many people seem to think it is. In the past five years, companies have submitted more than 27,000 products t ... > **[Neil deGrasse Tyson To GMO Critics: 'Chill Out'](https://www.businessinsider.com/neil-degrasse-tyson-believes-in-gmos-2014-7)** > > We have been genetically modifying food for "tens of thousands of years." Its all an attack on science by the hysteria driven anti-science faction on the left (at least the anti-science folks on the right are driven by plain old cardinal sins (greed and sloth), the ones on the right are driven by fear. Fear leads to anger and anger leads to hate and hate leads to suffering. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207/51 "2016-03-10T18:29:20Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > And as I just finished explaining, “letting people know” and “something bad about it” are two entirely different and unrelated concepts. And that is not what is driving the label GMO movement. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207/52 "2016-03-10T18:32:53Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Come on. > > People should be able to know what their food is, what’s in it, where it comes from, how it’s made. The organic-certification label is a known standard; anyone who’s interested can look up the details. But without a GMO labeling standard, there is no way people can distinguish the traditional species from their engineered versions. > > What, exactly, is the problem with requiring such a standard in labeling, along with all the others already in use? Do we require non-organic foods to be labeled as non-organic? Of course not. is it possible to label non-GMO foods as non-GMO, Of course it is. in fact I recently bought a loaf of bread that said non-GMO in big green letter. Why isn’t that enough? Why do we want to force the labeling of GMO corn products and leave the non-gmo corn products alone when the vast majority of corn products are made with GMO corn? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207/53 "2016-03-10T18:35:36Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > And I think it is a good idea for non-ideological public health reasons; it’s easier to identify probable allergens in GM-introduced proteins if we know where they are. > > (Posters getting on Bernie’s case over asking for _labeling_ just show how knee-jerk, fanatical, and hateful the pro-GMO side can appear, even as they accuse anti-GMO protestors of being fanatical or superstitious. Relax, guys.) I think a fanatical aversion to anti-science fearmongering is justified. I think anti-science fearmongering itself is not. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207/54 "2016-03-10T18:53:38Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > He’s had anti-war protestors jailed. Can we end this idiotic hijack over GMO labelling and get back to discussing Bernie Sanders. I’d like an explanation for this. What are you talking about Will? Can you provide a reputable link? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207/55 "2016-03-10T23:14:41Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Can we end this idiotic hijack over GMO labelling and get back to discussing Bernie Sanders. > > I’d like an explanation for this. What are you talking about Will? > > Can you provide a reputable link? During the bombing campaign in Yugoslavia, in 1999, Sanders’s office in Burlington was occupied by people demanding an end to the bombing. Sanders was not there. One of the office workers called the police and 15 protesters were arrested for trespassing. The group arrested claims that Sanders’s absence was a ploy and that he was responsible for the arrests. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207/56 "2016-03-10T23:20:29Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > During the bombing campaign in Yugoslavia, in 1999, Sanders’s office in Burlington was occupied by people demanding an end to the bombing. Sanders was not there. One of the office workers called the police and 15 protesters were arrested for trespassing. > The group arrested claims that Sanders’s absence was a ploy and that he was responsible for the arrests. Ah, I see. Getting arrested for trespassing is a little different from getting arrested for being anti-war protesters. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2016, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207/57 "2016-03-10T23:37:24Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Ah, I see. Getting arrested for trespassing is a little different from getting arrested for being anti-war protesters. Not if you are occupying an office to protest a war. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207/58 "2016-03-11T00:14:37Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Not if you are occupying an office to protest a war. 😛 In the sense that arresting members of the IRA following a pub bombing is "jailing Irish activists opposing the British presence in Northern Ireland. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207/59 "2016-03-11T00:16:01Z")
Bernie’s chief of staff enforced trespassing laws? Well, I’m obviously bound to vote for the candidate who is against private property, then! Who is that? ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2016, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207/60 "2016-03-11T01:20:22Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Can we end this idiotic hijack over GMO labelling and get back to discussing Bernie Sanders. OK. How about his endorsement of pseudo-science: [The medical community has raised serious health concerns about genetically engineered food.](http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-let-states-require-gmo-food-labels) Where I feel the burn most strongly, and not in a good way, is in Sanders’s implicit attempt to undo China’s dramatic standard of living increase, from a base of horrifying poverty – an increase obtained by joining the world economy. Here’s the man’s plan: > [@](#): > > Establish a currency manipulation fee on China and other countries. As almost everyone knows, China is manipulating its currency, giving it an unfair trade advantage over the United States and destroying decent paying manufacturing jobs in the process. If we imposed a currency manipulation fee on China and other currency manipulators, the Economic Policy Institute has estimated that we could raise $500 billion over 10 years and create 1 million jobs in the process. How many ten of millions of middle income Asian jobs (and no, they don’t make 25 cents an hour) would be destroyed while supposedly creating those million American jobs? I say supposedly because you don’t create a lot of jobs during trade wars. Just the opposite. Bernie’s China taxes would create a big reason for China to engage not just in trade war against us, but also just plain war. Bernie’s self-image is as a man of peace, but as his old role model Leon Trotsky used to say, “You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.”\* Rather than joining Trump in blaming China for our ills, Bernie should be dismissing beggar-thy-neighbor policies and instead worry about this: [Can the U.S. and China avoid war? History says otherwise](http://theweek.com/articles/583627/china-avoid-war-history-says-otherwise) I changed my registration from Republican to Democratic today, in part to vote against Sanders. * * * - There’s dispute over whether this is a correct translation from the Russian. If he didn’t say it, IMHO, he should have. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-bernie-sanders/745207.md?page=2)