# Meet Pinguin **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 10, 2011, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881 "2011-04-10T18:13:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/21 "2011-04-10T20:08:27Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Please PM me with details. We don’t want to see a board war develop. PM sent. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/22 "2011-04-10T20:10:08Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > This is the Pit - name names. Link to posts. Don’t link to the board in question, of course. But that would show what blogs to check and it would be easy to figure out the offending blog-forum, What do the Mods think **Colibri**? ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/23 "2011-04-10T20:28:28Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > We seem to get many trolls from a “scientific” racist site because they are upset that we can’t see their “wonderful” points. > > Not mentioning names yet, but one of them let the cat out of the bag by referring to (and not posting the cite) a blog that “demolished” the points from a cite that I made in a different thread. It is clear that they are smart enough to know that if they had posted from where they are getting their ideas are coming from that their points would be discredited in a nanosecond. I was trying to avoid derailing that thread. If you want to discuss the merits of the cite you were relying on, please set up another thread & I’ll discuss it with you. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/24 "2011-04-10T20:30:51Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > This is the Pit - name names. Link to posts. Don’t link to the board in question, of course. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > But that would show what blogs to check and it would be easy to figure out the offending blog-forum, What do the Mods think **Colibri**? We have had some unfortunate experiences with board wars in the past. We do not wish to encourage people to go over to other boards and pick fights (even if they are coming here). I would prefer that specifics be avoided. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/25 "2011-04-10T20:43:42Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > I was trying to avoid derailing that thread. If you want to discuss the merits of the cite you were relying on, please set up another thread & I’ll discuss it with you. Nah, I would not like to make free propaganda to the pseudoscience cites that you would likely bring forth. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/26 "2011-04-10T21:04:39Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Nah, I would not like to make free propaganda to the pseudoscience cites that you would likely bring forth. This is rather telling. I offer to debate the subject. You realise that I am familiar with the published research in academic journals. You decide against it. In any case, whether you consider it pseudoscience or not, the reality doesn’t go away. And as the cost of genome sequencing falls research is likely to uncover the genetic basis for these disparities. Then I imagine you’ll be calling for them to use gene therapies to make everyone equal, after years of arguing disparities were caused by the environment. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/27 "2011-04-10T21:19:06Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > This is rather telling. I offer to debate the subject. You realise that I am familiar with the published research in academic journals. You decide against it. Nope, the cite I found by going into the rabbit hole attempted to continue to use the discredited Bell Curve book right out of the bat. \*\*That \*\*is rather telling. > [@Chen019](#): > > In any case, whether you consider it pseudoscience or not, the reality doesn’t go away. And as the cost of genome sequencing falls research is likely to uncover the genetic basis for these disparities. Then I imagine you’ll be calling for them to use gene therapies to make everyone equal, after years of arguing disparities were caused by the environment. As even the best proponents mentioned that genes could influence intelligence from 40% and up, the reality is that it is not likely that the genes identified will be deemed decisive, we are more than out genes. [http://www.ted.com/talks/sebastian\_seung.html](http://www.ted.com/talks/sebastian_seung.html) ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/28 "2011-04-10T21:28:13Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Nope, the cite I found by going into the rabbit hole attempted to continue to use the discredited Bell Curve book right out of the bat. \*\*That \*\*is rather telling. > > As even the best proponents mentioned that genes could influence intelligence from 40% and up, the reality is that it is not likely that the genes identified will be deemed decisive, we are more than out genes. > > [http://www.ted.com/talks/sebastian\_seung.html](http://www.ted.com/talks/sebastian_seung.html) What cite? And what do you mean discredited? The comments by Steven Pinker above are effectively, straight out of the bell curve. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/29 "2011-04-10T21:40:53Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > What cite? And what do you mean discredited? The comments by Steven Pinker above are effectively, straight out of the bell curve. And stop being disingenuous, already in other threads it was pointed to you that relying on the Bell Curve discredited you right away. And once again, the expert that you are relying with is not one in Anthropology, Biology or genetics. You \*\*really \*\*think that “Brains” from Thunder-birds is real. > **[potholer54](https://www.youtube.com/user/potholer54#p/u/14/qZzwRwFDXw0)** > > The purpose of this channel is to correct false scientific information on the internet. I am a former science journalist and geologist (see the "Who I am" video or channel trailer). > > Feel free to post. The only rules are : > > DON'T... > 1)... ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/30 "2011-04-10T21:44:40Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And stop being disingenuous, already in other threads it was pointed to you that relying on the Bell Curve discredited you right away. > > And once again, the expert that you are relying with is not one in Anthropology, Biology or genetics. > > You \*\*really \*\*think that “Brains” from Thunder-birds is real. > > [http://www.youtube.com/user/potholer54#p/u/14/qZzwRwFDXw0](http://www.youtube.com/user/potholer54#p/u/14/qZzwRwFDXw0) I would argue that broadly stating that the Bell Curve is discredited suggests the person hasn’t read any papers published in Intelligence, Nature, Personality and Individual Differences, or any other journal relevant to the subject. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/31 "2011-04-10T21:46:34Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > I would argue that broadly stating that the Bell Curve is discredited suggests the person hasn’t read any papers published in Intelligence, Nature, Personality and Individual Differences, or any other journal relevant to the subject. We did already, even with a Nature cite, what it was found is that the conclusions the scientists made did not support yours. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/32 "2011-04-10T21:46:54Z")
Its kinda weird when people having a discussion in one thread go over to a second, contemporaneous thread to repeat the exact same posts and cites to the exact same people. Its like in cartoons where they have the trope of a bunch of elderly men who meet at the same bench every morning to repeat the same stories to each other. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/33 "2011-04-10T21:52:17Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > \We do not wish to encourage people to go over to other boards and pick fights (even if they are coming here).\ Well, _I_ do, so it’s probably best that I’m not in any kind of position of power here. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/34 "2011-04-10T21:55:36Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > We did already, even with a Nature cite, what it was found is that the conclusions the scientists made did not support yours. Can you please be a bit more specific? What exactly in the Bell Curve has been discredited? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/35 "2011-04-10T21:58:09Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Its like in cartoons where they have the trope of a bunch of elderly men who meet at the same bench every morning to repeat the same stories to each other. I think Chen019 just attempted to go to a different bench, only to show that he is also a birther. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13672369&postcount=263](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13672369&postcount=263) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/36 "2011-04-10T22:06:46Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Its kinda weird when people having a discussion in one thread go over to a second, contemporaneous thread to repeat the exact same posts and cites to the exact same people. I think we’ve got that going on in 3 threads now. Maybe even 4. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2011, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/37 "2011-04-10T23:31:12Z")
I’m familiar with pinguin from another board. He’s a Chilean IT pro who frequents a lot of anthro & genetics discussion boards. The spelling errors stem from English not being his first language. His main concern is mestizo and Native American supremacy. He’s deeply offended by the way that Americans sometimes lump blacks and Latinos together, and by the genetic evidence that Chileans, Argentines, and other Latin American nations have absorbed substantial African ancestry into their populations. Unlike our resident racialists, who typically parrot Steve Sailer’s columns, pinguin despises Sailer due to his disparagement of Latinos. While he resents the cultural and political prominence of black Americans, he doesn’t have the foaming the mouth obsessive anti black hatred so often demonstrated by our resident racialists. He does want to see black Americans, and by extension, Africans, taken down a peg or two, it’s more envy and resentment than a conviction that people with dark skin aren’t as human as the rest of the world. That said, he does make some laughable errors about Africa at times. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/38 "2011-04-11T00:04:22Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Its kinda weird when people having a discussion in one thread go over to a second, contemporaneous thread to repeat the exact same posts and cites to the exact same people. > > Its like in cartoons where they have the trope of a bunch of elderly men who meet at the same bench every morning to repeat the same stories to each other. Unfortunately, this is what happens when people like **Belowjob2.0** erroneously assume something has been “discredited” and don’t specify what they mean exactly. His post above is a classic example of misrepresenting what people have said to whip up emotions. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/39 "2011-04-11T00:10:18Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > I’m familiar with pinguin from another board. He’s a Chilean IT pro who frequents a lot of anthro & genetics discussion boards. The spelling errors stem from English not being his first language. > > His main concern is mestizo and Native American supremacy. He’s deeply offended by the way that Americans sometimes lump blacks and Latinos together, and by the genetic evidence that Chileans, Argentines, and other Latin American nations have absorbed substantial African ancestry into their populations. Unlike our resident racialists, who typically parrot Steve Sailer’s columns, pinguin despises Sailer due to his disparagement of Latinos. > > While he resents the cultural and political prominence of black Americans, he doesn’t have the foaming the mouth obsessive anti black hatred so often demonstrated by our resident racialists. He does want to see black Americans, and by extension, Africans, taken down a peg or two, it’s more envy and resentment than a conviction that people with dark skin aren’t as human as the rest of the world. > > That said, he does make some laughable errors about Africa at times. Huh. Well I guess its cool that the board is at least attracting a new and exciting type of racist. The old type was getting a little repetitious. Maybe we can get a few black supremacists and then have a truly epic thread where they all hash it out. Maybe coming away with a compromise that Inuits are really the Master Race of the Americas. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/40 "2011-04-11T00:11:57Z")
I don’t think \*\*pinguin \*\*is a troll, but he’s being a real ass in his GD thread, and looks like he’s headed for a quick crash and burn. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881.md?page=3)