# Meet Pinguin **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 10, 2011, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881 "2011-04-10T18:13:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/41 "2011-04-11T00:13:08Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Huh. Well I guess its cool that the board is at least attracting a new and exciting type of racist. The old type was getting a little repetitious. > > Maybe we can get a few black supremacists and then have a truly epic thread where they all hash it out. Maybe coming away with a compromise that Inuits are really the Master Race of the Americas. More strawman B.S. Is it really that hard to read what people are saying? If you did, you’d quickly see no one is suggesting there is a supreme group. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/42 "2011-04-11T00:15:09Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > More strawman B.S. Is it really that hard to read what people are saying? If you did, you’d quickly see no one is suggesting there is a supreme group. No, but you are doing the equivalent of the creationist that, being unable to teach creationism directly, then will teach the “controversy”. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/43 "2011-04-11T00:17:39Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > More strawman B.S. Is it really that hard to read what people are saying? If you did, you’d quickly see no one is suggesting there is a supreme group. Well you should be. The Inuits are obviously superior. You ever see a white guy build a house out of nothing but water? You ever see a black guy hunt a motherfucking whale with nothing but a crappy row-boat and a sharp stick. Ever see a Latino master water-bending? Inuits are the master-race, and you mind as well go volunteer to work on one of their blubber plantations now before they take over and make you do it. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/44 "2011-04-11T00:17:47Z")
What I’m ‘doing’ is ironically the opposite of creationism. That is, accepting that evolution is a reality and groups differ somewhat (in the distribution of traits) due to different selection pressures arising in diverse cultures & environments. Some people seem to think humans are exempt from this. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/45 "2011-04-11T00:20:12Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > What I’m ‘doing’ is ironically the opposite of creationism. That is, accepting that evolution is a reality and groups differ somewhat (in the distribution of traits) due to different selection pressures arising in diverse cultures & environments. Some people seem to think humans are exempt from this. **Bullseye**. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/46 "2011-04-11T00:24:29Z")
Well, it’s true isn’t it? They pretend there are no diverse groups - so presumably they don’t accept evolution either. ---
**Author:** ![pinguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ac8455/32.png) [@pinguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pinguin)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/47 "2011-04-11T00:25:26Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > His main concern is mestizo and Native American supremacy. He’s deeply offended by the way that Americans sometimes lump blacks and Latinos together, and by the genetic evidence that Chileans, Argentines, and other Latin American nations have absorbed substantial African ancestry into their populations. Unlike our resident racialists, who typically parrot Steve Sailer’s columns, pinguin despises Sailer due to his disparagement of Latinos. . Mestizo supremacy? :rolleyes: What the heck is that? Most of the time I just have deffended Latin America exist, and that Native Americans were smart people. Offended by lumping together? I am offended when some Americans believe Latin America is Mexico as much as when some Afroamericans believe Latin America is Cuba. With respect to our “African” genetical heritage, I know it is exagerated in the “One Drop Rule” mulatocentric forum. A site which has the agenda to show everybody in the world is a mixed individual of African and European origins. A site I left long ago. Nobody deny there are some so called “African markers” in the general Hispanic population. However, Latin America is not Puerto Rico, either. And even Queen Elizabeth descend from Africans, isn’t? ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/48 "2011-04-11T00:37:34Z")
> [@pinguin](#): > > Mestizo supremacy? :rolleyes: What the heck is that? > > Most of the time I just have deffended Latin America exist, and that Native Americans were smart people. > > Offended by lumping together? I am offended when some Americans believe Latin America is Mexico as much as when some Afroamericans believe Latin America is Cuba. > > With respect to our “African” genetical heritage, I know it is exagerated in the “One Drop Rule” mulatocentric forum. A site which has the agenda to show everybody in the world is a mixed individual of African and European origins. A site I left long ago. Nobody deny there are some so called “African markers” in the general Hispanic population. However, Latin America is not Puerto Rico, either. > And even Queen Elizabeth descend from Africans, isn’t? Oh, Omar. Having a little bit of Afro in you doesn’t make you “black”. All it means is that you have a little bit of Afro in you. Why fight this so hard? What do you gain? ---
**Author:** ![pinguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ac8455/32.png) [@pinguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pinguin)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/49 "2011-04-11T00:42:42Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > Oh, Omar. > > Having a little bit of Afro in you doesn’t make you “black”. All it means is that you have a little bit of Afro in you. Why fight this so hard? What do you gain? That bring me memories of the “One Drop Rule” dogma.. 😃 If you have a so called “African” marker, then you are Black. Remember the endless discussion about the “Latin escape hutch”, as if the only reason for Latinos to exist was to be a place where blacks slaves, escaping from the plantation, could refuge? Remember when you were banned just for saying “that’s not true”?.. And Frank behaving just like a tropical dictator: a Castro or a Chavez? Ahh… what a wonderful time. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/50 "2011-04-11T00:45:06Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > Well, it’s true isn’t it? They pretend there are no diverse groups - so presumably they don’t accept evolution either. That “presumably” is precisely why you can not be relied upon, The problem was using “race”. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/51 "2011-04-11T00:45:13Z")
> [@pinguin](#): > > That bring me memories of the “One Drop Rule” dogma.. 😃 If you have a so called “African” market, then you are Black. > > Remember when you were banned just for saying “that’s not true”?.. And Frank behaving just like a tropical dictator: a Castro or a Chavez? > > Ahh… what a wonderful time. You’d know better than I about Castro and Chavez. Never been banned. You must be thinking of someone else. ---
**Author:** ![pinguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ac8455/32.png) [@pinguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pinguin)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/52 "2011-04-11T01:00:41Z")
Nope. You weren’t banned. I was banned forever, just for deffending a thesis about genetical spread of those famous “African” markers. ---
**Author:** ![Blake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@Blake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blake)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/53 "2011-04-11T02:17:58Z")
Umm, you are posting right now. So clearly you weren’t banned forever. I think you might be telling lies here. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/54 "2011-04-11T02:20:49Z")
> [@Blake](#): > > Umm, you are posting right now. So clearly you weren’t banned forever. > > I think you might be telling lies here. He’s talking about the [Studyofracialism.org](http://Studyofracialism.org) board, not this one. He was banned there, because he objected to the genetic evidence showing a small fraction of sub Saharan African ancestry in Italian and Spanish populations. ---
**Author:** ![pinguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ac8455/32.png) [@pinguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pinguin)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/55 "2011-04-11T02:24:17Z")
Yes. I was banned from that board because I showed a model about the spreading of the so called “African” markers to Europe, without the need of immigration. That model is easy if you know something about equilibrium and population genetics. However, the site ideology was shaken by that idea, because shown that populations like the Berbers, the Greeks or Italians weren’t the result of intermarriage about Bantues and Nordics, which is the ideology of that site. ---
**Author:** ![Blake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@Blake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blake)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/56 "2011-04-11T02:40:42Z")
Yes, clearly they were afraid of your truths. The editors of peer reviewed genetics journals are also afraid of your truths, which is why they will not publish them either. This is an earth shattering conspiracy that you have revealed and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/57 "2011-04-11T03:05:04Z")
Oh man, I think I liked this all better when I thought he was just a pesky troll. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Nader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Darth\_Nader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Nader)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/58 "2011-04-11T03:50:43Z")
Are “lawnchair” posts still frowned upon? 'Cause I could make popcorn for everyone… ---
**Author:** ![pinguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ac8455/32.png) [@pinguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pinguin)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/59 "2011-04-11T12:33:53Z")
> [@Blake](#): > > The editors of peer reviewed genetics journals are also afraid of your truths, which is why they will not publish them either.. If a worlwide known Nobel Prize winner, said such a stupidity about black people, just imagine the quality and impartiality of such profesion. Make coffee, too. ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2011, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881/60 "2011-04-11T13:15:09Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > Can you please be a bit more specific? What exactly in the Bell Curve has been discredited? Perhaps it’s wrong to call The bell Curve “discredited” in the sense of, say, creationism or alternatives to germ theory being discredited. But it was at publication, and has been since, subject to a considerable amount of criticism—due at least partially to the very silly decision not to subject it to peer review. Those within academia who would defend it entirely are pretty rare. In particular, within my field (economics) it simply seems baffling to suggest that intelligence is fixed and is the almost entirely the sole determinant of success, points well-made by Heckman ([cite](http://www.jstor.org/stable/2967213)). Defending The Bell Curve is spitting against the wind at this point. Which isn’t, of course, to say that there is _no_ genetic component to intelligence. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meet-pinguin/577881.md?page=4)