# Meghan Markle is the most mathmatically beautiful royal **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [May 20, 2018, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530 "2018-05-20T23:47:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530/21 "2018-05-22T04:59:15Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > The Golden Ratio came from observing other natural phenomena like plants and sea shells, afaik, not Caucasian faces. > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I did not make that claim. You most certainly did. Do you recognize: “It’s pretty easy to see how that would have happened. The guy who figured out the points, I assume back in the 50s, put together a bunch of Caucasian models, averaged their faces together and then found a way to draw lines such that the golden ratio would appear.” ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530/22 "2018-05-22T05:24:42Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Yeah, they were in dire need of some “good looking” genes when Princess Di came along. Kate and Meghan will add another dose. so ERII’s grandkids should be doing pretty well. All of the children of [George V](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_V) seem to have been good-looking people, with Prince George, Duke of Kent in particular bearing a resemblance to William and Harry. (“George” VI, actually Albert, was the father of Elizabeth II, and both her and her now-deceased sister Margaret were pretty pretty. Of the successive generation, young Princess Anne looked cute af, and princes Andrew and Edward look like basically decent looking hearty and hale fellows. Which leaves us with Charles. Basically, the only one who looked notably weird was/is Charles. I don’t think even _he_ would deny this fact. Neither of his sons looked very much like him; this led to some speculation that another guy was their real father, but that seems doubtful. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530/23 "2018-05-22T05:59:49Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > You most certainly did. Do you recognize: > “It’s pretty easy to see how that would have happened. The guy who figured out the points, I assume back in the 50s, put together a bunch of Caucasian models, averaged their faces together and then found a way to draw lines such that the golden ratio would appear.” If I say that Clever Hans found the answers to math problems through reading body language, not by doing math, would you say that I am claiming that Clever Hans invented mathematics? If so, then I can only say that you are not good at correctly parsing my statements. To reiterate what you have quoted, the guy made a design based on the Golden Ratio. He did not pick a square grid or something scientific like that and allow the chips to fall where that would. Intentionally or not, he cheated the system to **produce** not **discover** the Golden Ratio in people’s figure, just as I might use cherry picking to produce a result in history that simply ain’t so. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530/24 "2018-05-22T11:46:29Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > So, ignoring all of the cases where it’s wrong - **which is the majority of the population of the world** since most people are Chinese or African - it’s correct? You couldn’t have spent 2 minutes on google? Here: [Beauty in the Human Face and the Golden Ratio](https://www.goldennumber.net/beauty/) Besides, the majority of “beautiful” people won’t fit. It’s a theoretical concept, not a definition of beauty. Check out Ms. Most Perfect Face in that link. Very pretty? Undoubtedly. As beautiful as “my contenders” for "most beautiful on earth? Not hardly. Btw, those contenders\* would include Lupita N’yongo, Charlize Theron, Fan Bingbing, and the above-mentioned Ms. Turlington. FWIW, my 16-year-old son’s top picks for “famous women he’d want to date” are Taraji P. Henson and Michelle Obama. (Beauty played into those choices.). Do any of those people fit? Some, I assume. All? I doubt it. - I started coming up with my contenders after seeing Gwyneth Paltrow on a magazine cover proclaiming her “the most beautiful woman in the world.” I thought to myself, “what’s she got on Lupita?” Obvious answer, “publicists willing to pay to get her on the cover of a magazine saying she’s the most beautiful woman in the world.” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_wind_of_my_soul)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530/25 "2018-05-22T13:43:42Z")
Is there anywhere on the web where we can see pictures of more symmetrical faces compared to less symmetrical faces? And not those sites where they take a photo of a person and make it so both sides look like their left side, or both sides look like their right side. I’m not great at detecting when a face is symmetrical, and without clear examples of symmetrical faces as compared to less symmetrical but still normal-looking faces (since creating a mirror image of one side of a photograph often creates cross eyes or an odd facial expression), it’s hard for me to tell how much validity to give this idea. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530/26 "2018-05-22T14:01:33Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Are the royals known for their beauty? It doesn’t seem to be that hard a contest to win. Amelia Windsor seems like the only blood relative that would be in the running. Certainly you would expect a model and actress to have an advantage over others. 1. How many families have any Hollywood-beautiful members at all? 2. What Amelia Windsor are you guys looking at? Are you THAT easily fooled by makeup? She’s an ordinary looking woman; if you walked through a university campus you’d see a thousand young women that good looking or more. 3. I don’t get the notion the Royal Family is bad looking. Have a look at the Queen’s wedding photos; she was a perfectly attractive young woman, not a raving beauty but just as pretty as Lady Amelia Windsor, and Prince Philip was a very handsome man. Prince Harry is very handsome - he’s a much more handsome man than he was a boy. Prince Charles is goofy looking but there’s some of those in every family. Obviously Meghan Markle really raises the average, but being beautiful is one of the reasons we’ve heard of her. That ain’t a fair comparison. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530/27 "2018-05-22T14:18:51Z")
> [@The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](#): > > Is there anywhere on the web where we can see pictures of more symmetrical faces compared to less symmetrical faces? And not those sites where they take a photo of a person and make it so both sides look like their left side, or both sides look like their right side. I’m not great at detecting when a face is symmetrical, and without clear examples of symmetrical faces as compared to less symmetrical but still normal-looking faces (since creating a mirror image of one side of a photograph often creates cross eyes or an odd facial expression), it’s hard for me to tell how much validity to give this idea. Symmetry is pretty established as important in attracting a mate in many animal species. It’s the Golden Ratio of facial proportions that has people trying to “debunk” it. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530/28 "2018-05-22T14:18:57Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > 1. How many families have any Hollywood-beautiful members at all? Pretty much _all_ of them, I think. Making it in Hollywood is about more than looks. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530/29 "2018-05-22T14:41:05Z")
You’re right, Steve Buscemi is not a good looking man, but surely to Christ you knew I didn’t mean Steve Buscemi. ---
**Author:** ![drewder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@drewder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewder)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530/30 "2018-05-22T15:00:31Z")
> [@Jacquernagy](#): > > Pretty much _all_ of them, I think. Making it in Hollywood is about more than looks. At least for females this simply isn’t true. Yes you might get the occasional Rebel Wilson but she will always be the butt of the joke for her appearance. Never will you see her in a serious roll. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530/31 "2018-05-22T15:31:54Z")
> [@drewder](#): > > Meghan succeeded in an industry that only accepts the top 1% of the top 1% of women in terms of beauty. Plus mixed race girls are hot 🙂 > > Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk Eh, only if you’re on the CW. Other actors are maybe in the top 10 percentile and actually have to know how to act. ---
**Author:** ![The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_wind_of_my_soul)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530/32 "2018-05-22T16:29:01Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Symmetry is pretty established as important in attracting a mate in many animal species. It’s the Golden Ratio of facial proportions that has people trying to “debunk” it. I’m not trying to debunk anything so much as see clear examples of more and less symmetrical faces, that are pictures of actual phases and not doctored images. I feel like facial symmetry is a particularly hard physical feature for me to detect in comparison to other traits that are considered attractive, such as how much body fat you have or how thick your hair is or how clear your skin is. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530/33 "2018-05-22T16:59:48Z")
> [@The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](#): > > I’m not trying to debunk anything so much as see clear examples of more and less symmetrical faces, that are pictures of actual phases and not doctored images. I feel like facial symmetry is a particularly hard physical feature for me to detect in comparison to other traits that are considered attractive, such as how much body fat you have or how thick your hair is or how clear your skin is. But my main point is that mere symmetry isn’t the point under discussion. I know this isn’t what you asked for but it is more to the point: [Face altered to conform with golden ratio/“beauty mask”](https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/Marquardt-Beauty-Mask-Photoshop-Revision.jpg) Her face is pretty symmetrical to start with. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530/34 "2018-05-22T17:05:05Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > You’re right, Steve Buscemi is not a good looking man, but surely to Christ you knew I didn’t mean Steve Buscemi. Haha, Buscemi is _the_ man, even if he’s not a handsome one. Though he looks cute in his portrait from the FDNY back in the day. What I mean, though, is that you can walk around in any major city in America and see men and women who are attractive enough that they could be movie stars, IF they had the acting ability, the luck, and desire. I disagree with the idea that there’s such a thing as “Hollywood beautiful.” Look at big name actors, both male and female, out of makeup and costume and grooming, and they look basically like normal people. Good looking, but normal. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530/35 "2018-05-22T17:10:26Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Are the royals known for their beauty? It doesn’t seem to be that hard a contest to win. Amelia Windsor seems like the only blood relative that would be in the running. Certainly you would expect a model and actress to have an advantage over others. Let me explain how that works. Mathematically that is. Assume we could rate the females from 1- the worst, to 10 - absolute best. Here’s the formula. R+W= RC (corrected) Take rating, 3 perhaps, add wealth, \>7 million perhaps. 3+7=10. Therefore, all royals are solid 10s. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530/36 "2018-05-22T17:12:49Z")
There is no doubt she’s the best looking female british royal, in, like, forever. Kate’s more my type though. ---
**Author:** ![The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_wind_of_my_soul)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530/37 "2018-05-22T20:13:52Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > But my main point is that mere symmetry isn’t the point under discussion. I know this isn’t what you asked for but it is more to the point: > [Face altered to conform with golden ratio/“beauty mask”](https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/Marquardt-Beauty-Mask-Photoshop-Revision.jpg) > Her face is pretty symmetrical to start with. Haha I read that article and thought to myself “If I can’t even figure out who has a symmetrical face, there’s no way I’m going to be able to figure out whose faces best conform to the golden ratio!” But I see your point; the article linked to in the OP talks about how Markle’s face aligns with the golden ratio. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530/38 "2018-05-22T21:56:02Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > You’re right, Steve Buscemi is not a good looking man, but surely to Christ you knew I didn’t mean Steve Buscemi. [This](https://imgur.com/MKOsD) Steve Buscemi? ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530/39 "2018-05-22T21:57:01Z")
> [@Jacquernagy](#): > > Haha, Buscemi is _the_ man, even if he’s not a handsome one. Though he looks cute in his portrait from the FDNY back in the day. > > What I mean, though, is that you can walk around in any major city in America and see men and women who are attractive enough that they could be movie stars, IF they had the acting ability, the luck, and desire. I disagree with the idea that there’s such a thing as “Hollywood beautiful.” Look at big name actors, both male and female, out of makeup and costume and grooming, and they look basically like normal people. Good looking, but normal. Not true. When I was at college, I worked in a book I store in Santa Barbara. One day, girl walked in. Dude, she glowed from within. She wasn’t just beautiful, she might as well have been a different species. Turns out it was **Kathy Ireland** , a couple of years before she started appearing in the SI Swimsuit edition. To be clear, she’s not really my type, it’s just that her sheer presence was a phenomenon - everyone stopped in the store, male and female, to look at her. I can’t think of another time that happened this way. And yes, when she spoke to ask for help to find a book, her voice was so squeaky helium high I nearly giggled. This became a thing for her; IIRC she had extensive vocal coaching so she could come across more credibly. And of course now she’s a bazillionaire with her furniture business, etc. But, yeah, I’ve seen “Star Beauty” in real life. ---
**Author:** ![drewder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@drewder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewder)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2018, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530/40 "2018-05-22T22:03:31Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > But my main point is that mere symmetry isn’t the point under discussion. I know this isn’t what you asked for but it is more to the point: > [Face altered to conform with golden ratio/“beauty mask”](https://www.goldennumber.net/wp-content/uploads/Marquardt-Beauty-Mask-Photoshop-Revision.jpg) > Her face is pretty symmetrical to start with. Have to admit she looks pretty good in the second picture Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/meghan-markle-is-the-most-mathmatically-beautiful-royal/814530.md?page=1)