# Mel Gibson dials it up to 11 with new telephone recording. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 13, 2010, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490 "2010-07-13T03:07:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/561 "2010-07-20T01:34:46Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > Who knows. Well, her dentist does and as I previously linked, he says she got hit in the head twice and got her teeth fucked up. I’m going to trust him on this one. oh you know, those veneer wearing WHORES! Nobody has veneers for good intent, be sure of that ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/562 "2010-07-20T01:36:01Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > How so? Stingy means holding back. I’m not holding back. Mel seems to want to, though. So is that why Mel is seeking custody? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/563 "2010-07-20T01:37:51Z")
No, he’s doing that to try to hurt the kid’s mother. He won’t succeed, though. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/564 "2010-07-20T01:39:30Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > Of course when parents divorce (or are never married) you can’t make everything _just like_ how it would be if the parents lived together happily. To me, child support is established to let the child live at least FINANCIALLY how he or she would if the parents were still pooling their money together as a family. I agree with that- sort of like alimony would be for a spouse- it’s a way for the kid to maintain the lifestyle it is accustomed to. But I think more than that, it’s important to remember that celebrity kids have challenges that “regular” kids don’t- people try to kidnap them, people sneaking photos of them in school to sell, etc. I look at Michael Jackson’s kids (who a photo of is probably worth more than Mel’s kids, but still)-- they have to have a full time security team (and have their whole lives, because they’ve received constant threats since birth), they are going to be going to private school soon because public schools- quite reasonably- aren’t too fond of the attention the kids would bring on their campuses, etc. Shit happens. And does anybody honestly believe Oksana hasn’t received death threats (other than from Mel, I mean)? Or kidnapping threats? C’mon. People are scummy. And all of that extra care? It costs money. Mel knows because he probably pays that shit out now. > [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > oh you know, those veneer wearing WHORES! Nobody has veneers for good intent, be sure of that The better to suck dick before the jacuzzi for. . . . ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/565 "2010-07-20T01:41:02Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > You know it isn’t about the money. Its about finding out the person you loved and thought loved you actually doesn’t love you, but instead took you for a chump and now she has her hooks into you legally for the next 18 years. This is a whoosh, right? Otherwise this is incredibly brainless, even for you. :rolleyes: Gibson is a total bunny-boiler. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/566 "2010-07-20T01:41:08Z")
**Dutchman** , could you summarize roughly what your position is here? Could you characterize the situation as you understand it - what happened, what didn’t happen, why it happened, etc. ? I’m not trying to play rhetorical games or anything. I would like to hear what you’re ultimately trying to establish. Did the woman do something wrong? If so, what? What should happen to the kid? What should happen to Mel Gibson? What should happen to the woman? ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/567 "2010-07-20T01:44:44Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > I agree with that- sort of like alimony would be for a spouse- it’s a way for the kid to maintain the lifestyle it is accustomed to. But I think more than that, it’s important to remember that celebrity kids have challenges that “regular” kids don’t- people try to kidnap them, people sneaking photos of them in school to sell, etc. I look at Michael Jackson’s kids (who a photo of is probably worth more than Mel’s kids, but still)-- they have to have a full time security team (and have their whole lives, because they’ve received constant threats since birth), they are going to be going to private school soon because public schools- quite reasonably- aren’t too fond of the attention the kids would bring on their campuses, etc. Shit happens. And does anybody honestly believe Oksana hasn’t received death threats (other than from Mel, I mean)? Or kidnapping threats? C’mon. People are scummy. And all of that extra care? It costs money. Mel knows because he probably pays that shit out now. Absolutely true. And you know what, I used to think Michael was NUTS for having those kids in masks and stuff until one of the friends of the family said that when they were with him then the press would know they were his. If they went out with someone else without the masks, nobody would know who they were so they could go to movies and stuff like other kids. Not a bad idea. Also, in the book _The Gift of Fear_ the author says that celebrities have stalkers and death threats in numbers that would blow your mind. He goes into the sheer number of them and it’s unreal. For every one you read about he says there are hundreds you don’t. A friend of mine has gotten to know (through work) a very famous couple with children. He said their lives are unreal when it comes to paparazzi and fans and what they’re willing to do. It doesn’t matter if they’re holding their kids or not. People are nuts ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/568 "2010-07-20T01:46:47Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Who gives a fuck? How is it relevant? Because that tooth was chipped before. ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/569 "2010-07-20T01:48:47Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Because that tooth was chipped before. Wait, you do realize that veneers aren’t just used for chipped teeth, right? You get that thousands of people get them every year as a cosmetic answer to discolored teeth, right? ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/570 "2010-07-20T01:49:02Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Because that tooth was chipped before. Except her dentist has publicly given a statement that it wasn’t. Did you see her teeth before and know something he does not? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/571 "2010-07-20T01:53:40Z")
[QUOTE=DiosaBellissima] I agree with that- sort of like alimony would be for a spouse- it’s a way for the kid to maintain the lifestyle it is accustomed to. But I think more than that, it’s important to remember that celebrity kids have challenges that “regular” kids don’t- people try to kidnap them, people sneaking photos of them in school to sell, etc. [/QUOTE] But you know, even more fundamentally than that, it’s _Mel Gibson’s child_. He voluntarily begat of this woman, and now there is a human child in the world. What other standard could we ever use to determine what kind of lifestyle the kid ought to have than the one he was born into? Gibson made a choice and brought the kid into the world of having things; why should the kid be held to a different standard just because Gibson’s a screwup? It’s kind of a bullshit tactic to begin with to suggest that Gibson is being asked to finance “somebody else’s lifestyle;” it’s his fucking lifestyle. Even if it isn’t only the strict necessities that are being paid for - and of course it isn’t - ultimately, whose decision was that? Why even bother figuring out what somebody else’s kid’s life would be like? It ain’t somebody else’s kid. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/572 "2010-07-20T01:54:05Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Because that tooth was chipped before. Cite? Not that it matters whetre he broke a veneer or broke a tooth. He still punched her in the face either way, and admitted it on tape. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/573 "2010-07-20T02:01:53Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > 1. He did not leave his wife for Oksana > > 2. He did not knock out any teeth. > > Did you see the picture alleging the incident ? She was smiling and no hint at all of soft tissue bruising adjacent to her mouth or on her face, and merely a chipped tooth that had to be there before because a veneer was dislodged. That’s not smiling, that’s how you grimace to show your teeth in a dental office in order to photograph them. Try it. We’ve got many sets of those from the dentist and orthodontist. That’s probably about as far as she was able to open her mouth at that point, judging by how swollen her mouth is (beyond the cosmetic inflation). She has one veneer knocked off, and you have no way of knowing if the chip out of the other tooth was there before, or if he knocked it off. Not that any of this makes a bit of difference. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/574 "2010-07-20T02:04:43Z")
Is there a link to this photo? ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/575 "2010-07-20T02:07:33Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > Is there a link to this photo? [Here.](http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/07/world-exclusive-photo-oksana-after-she-says-mel-gibson-punched-her-mouth) Can’t you see how jovial and full of glee she is in that picture? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/576 "2010-07-20T02:18:55Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > **Dutchman** , could you summarize roughly what your position is here? Could you characterize the situation as you understand it - what happened, what didn’t happen, why it happened, etc. ? I’m not trying to play rhetorical games or anything. I would like to hear what you’re ultimately trying to establish. > > Did the woman do something wrong? If so, what? > > What should happen to the kid? What should happen to Mel Gibson? What should happen to the woman? I’m only here to present some ballance to all the moral outrage against Mel. Listening to Oxana’s calm responses following Mel’s tantrums on the tapes leads me to suspect a set up. That leads me to suspect she’s simply a coniving woman.The so called admission on Mel’s part where he said she deserved it may simply have been " if you want to believe I hit you then you may as well believe you deserved it". Not unusual for me to respond that way when the “admission” is expected to be totally useless to anyone else. As far as the blow job is concerned, and I haven’t heard the tape, I can understand that when a man gets enthusiastic blow jobs from the woman he loves and then it becomes a chore or no longer, you gotta wonder why she doesn’t love you anymore and the possibility you were set up, particularly for a rich man becomes very real. At that point you might as well demand it rather than beg. After all, he paid for this whore. Mel has a record for being a stable upright husband and father for 26 years. Oxana has gone through several husbands and no previous kids. I need not present the other side because it is well represented here. The big issue is still did he hit her or didn’t he. Apparently Mel denies it . Lets wait till the justice system decides. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/577 "2010-07-20T02:21:24Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > The so called admission on Mel’s part where he said she deserved it may simply have been " if you want to believe I hit you then you may as well believe you deserved it". Except that’s not what he said. He said, “You fucking deserved it.” Now, if it was what you say, he would have said it that way. Or he would say, “You would have deserved it.” “You fucking deserved it” is quite the declarative and clear statement. It’s surprising to me that folks are hearing that as anything but what it is. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/578 "2010-07-20T02:26:24Z")
Several husbands? She was married once, I believe. You honestly believe Mel is a heart-broken victim, when he threatens to murder the woman and tell her he hopes she’s raped by a pack of of _insert-racial-slur-of-his-choice-here_? If someone talks to someone like that, it’s abuse – it doesn’t have to be physical, fuckstick. It’s called emotional abuse. And like I’m REALLY going to want to give oral sex to someone who treats me like THAT. Good god, you are fucking stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/579 "2010-07-20T02:30:22Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Listening to Oxana’s calm responses following Mel’s tantrums on the tapes leads me to suspect a set up. Non-indicator. If she’d shown any emotion, people would be saying she was trying to provoke him. Or that she was a hysterical bitch. **Diosa** : Yeah, that’s not a smile. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2010, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/580 "2010-07-20T02:32:28Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > 1. He did not knock out any teeth. > > Did you see the picture alleging the incident ? She was smiling and no hint at all of soft tissue bruising adjacent to her mouth or on her face, and merely a chipped tooth that had to be there before because a veneer was dislodged. I’ve been trying to stay out of this thread, but I wanted to address this. At what percentage do we say a tooth is knocked out? The whole thing? Half? 1/4? If there is damage the entire tooth is not intact, to me it’s “knocked out” and the various degrees of it can be sorted out by lawyers, cops, and dentists. I don’t need technical terms: if even part of it is gone, it’s gone. I speak from personal experience. My ex punched me in the face and knocked out my tooth. (I guess for the pedantic around here, it was only half my tooth, but it wasn’t exactly a fully functional tooth). I had no facial swelling. I had no bruises. I had no cuts. Literally the only physical damage I sustained at that time was my tooth being knocked out. Oh, this was done to me because he was screaming at me and I got scared and I ran for the door. He stood on the stairs, called me a cunt, and punched me. So that’s what happens when you try to leave. That’s why we stay. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490.md?page=30)