# Mel Gibson dials it up to 11 with new telephone recording. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 13, 2010, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490 "2010-07-13T03:07:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2010, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/121 "2010-07-14T06:39:27Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > That would be scary as hell since he’s 6’4 to 6’5 depending on shoes. Maybe he can fight Gibson and they can settle this religious divide they have. He’s also magically delicious. Bigtime. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2010, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/122 "2010-07-14T06:47:19Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > That would be scary as hell since he’s 6’4 to 6’5 depending on shoes. Maybe he can fight Gibson and they can settle this religious divide they have. Hell, they could sell it on pay per view – I’d watch it! (And Neeson’s _Rob Roy_ was far superior to _Braveheart_) ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2010, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/123 "2010-07-14T06:48:55Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > He’s also magically delicious. Bigtime. Hasn’t gone unnoticed. Per tabloids anyway, Natasha Richardson’s funeral wasn’t over before women were throwing themselves at him. He doesn’t seem to have any interest in catching any just yet. I wonder if he gets along with Vanessa Redgrave, who is an open atheist. Her family was so demolished so quickly (her daughter, her brother, and her sister in a year) that I hope so. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2010, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/124 "2010-07-14T07:38:36Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > H > (And Neeson’s _Rob Roy_ was far superior to _Braveheart_) Well, Liam only acted in Rob Roy while Gibson directed Braveheart. It’s better anyway. And the sex scene between him and Lange is top notch. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2010, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/125 "2010-07-14T10:55:13Z")
Wow. I just listened to it. So, is anyone else getting that this entire rant is him being pissed off because she wouldn’t give hi a blow job? No, I don’t think she’s a gold digger. She bore him a child ferchrissakes, and now she is fighting for the life of that child. I know exactly how she feels. There’s a popular urban legend out there which convinces the nation that fathers are not treated well in courts. That may be true on the subject of primary custody, but you just wouldn’t believe how difficult it is to remove a truly, obviously psychotic father form the life of your child. No matter how sick, or how dangerous, he has a basic right to access to his child, and even achieving supervision for those visits is next to impossible. I suspect she released the tapes because she learned that they were inadmissible in court,and was hoping to get the information out there. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2010, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/126 "2010-07-14T11:09:33Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I’m no critic but felt that his [_Passion of the Christ_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passion_of_the_Christ) had a very bizarre emphasis on violence; it led me to think his anti-Semitic utterances were more than “slips of the tongue.” Apparently I was not alone in my thinking: > > No idea what you think of his movie, _Passion_, but its rage made an intensely unfavorable impression on me. I do _not_ think it coincidental that its author was the same voice I heard in the 8-minute phone call. I’ve often wondered if the comments he made about Jews in his drunken rant were prompted by the criticism of the Jewish community on his movie, PotC. Now, I am no biblical scholar, but I do remember the statements of jewish people who refused to see it based on comments by Jewish organizations that claimed the movie was anti-semitic. If you happen to believe the story of the Bible, that Jesus was murdered (or in common parlance, crucified), and that the Jews killed Jesus, then that is the story. Calling someone anti-semitic because you don’t like the way he portrayed the story of the crucifixion of Christ is just ridiculous, and I remember Mel being aggravated at the time because he was answering questions about the perceived anti-semitic context of the movie, instead of the movie itself. I saw the movie, and it was not a pleasant depiction of how the Jews treated Christ, but it’s one man’s interpretation of the crucifixion of Jesus, and he portrayed that on the screen. Now Mel may be a raging anti-semite, but I didn’t get that feeling from watching PotC. I talked to a few Jewish friends of mine that hadn’t seen the movie and refused to because it was “anti-semitic”. That’s not an intelligent way to judge a movie. It’s best to see it for yourself and make a decision based on what you personally think. That’s like some german refusing to watch Schindler’s List because it was clearly anti-Nazi. Calling something anti-semitic because you don’t like how jews were portrayed in a movie doesn’t make much sense to me, especially if it reflects the crucifixion story as described in the bible. I didn’t look at Jews in a different light after walking out of the theater. I watched a movie about the crucifixion, found it a fascinating story. Calling it anti-semitic waters down any \*real \*anti-semitic actions that should be dealt with. > [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > Here’s the thing, I’ve never heard of a situation in court where the judge tells anyone that they must stretch their mind to the limits of absurdity. Hell, even in murder cases it isn’t NO doubt. It’s REASONABLE doubt. Reasonable does not equal stretching your mind to the limits of absurdity. > > IMHO you are just caught up in arguing with Dio about this and do not want to back down. A reasonable person can see that “You deserved it” means “You bet I did and you had it coming.” I agree with your first statement. A judge would never instruct a jury to do that. It doesn’t mean, however, that a good defense attorney can’t twist the truth, trying to sink the idea of reasonable doubt into one of the 12. My use of the phrase “limits of absurdity” were for this group engaged in this thread, who IMHO are above the average intelligence of the average american juror. It only takes one to throw it off the rails Unfortunately, the second statement is not correct. I think if you review all of my posts in this thread, I have stated unequivocally that I agree with most of those that believe Mel is off his rocker, he clearly was out of control on that tape, and he was incapable of controlling his rage even when it was clear that she was taking him down paths that would cook him in court (as well as the court of public opinion.) I am not in an argument with **Dio**. I’ve been around these boards long enough to know that there is no arguing with **Dio**. No matter what his position, he never changes it. He can be proven wrong and he still never changes his opinion, because he can’t. It’s not something he’s capable of. In this particular instance, I was merely asking legal questions about the case to **Dio** , and he spent his time stating unequivocally the “facts” of this case. He has no idea of the facts of this case, any more than you or I do. I believe you will find instances where I’ve said “I don’t disagree with you” to **Dio**. Now he may have misinterpreted me, but I have no ax to grind with **Dio**. And if I did, I wouldn’t waste my time on this particular topic. But \*\*Dio \*\*gets out of control when trying to convince others of his intellectual superiority. For instance: when I said > [@Stink Fisk Pot](#): > > You also fail to take into account the time she held onto these tapes. If she felt she was in imminent danger, why would she not turn these over to the police immediately? He replies; > [@Diogenese the Cynic](#): > > What makes you think she didn’t? She’s not the one who leaked these tapes, you know. Well, no I don’t know who leaked the tapes. Does anyone? He also says “what makes you think she didn’t” to the idea that I mentioned that she may have held onto the tapes for months. Well, I don’t know if she did or she didn’t. But either does **Dio**. I believe there is no answer to this question right now. But he doesn’t want to deal with that possibility. His opinion is the only one that counts. Another example of this is in the very next exchange: > [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > That implies she could have held onto them to try to blackmail him. > [@Diogenese the Cynic](#): > > You have no proof she held onto them or tried to “blackmail” him, and who gives a shit if she did? He deserved it. It is true that I have no proof that she held onto them or tried to blackmail him. But \*\*Dio \*\*has no proof that she didn’t, either. We are both ignorant of many facts of this case. But his statement of “who gives a shit if she did? He deserved it.” is selective justification for an action that, if true, is illegal (as far as I know, blackmail IS illegal in California), and I would think the law would give a shit, even if \*\*Dio \*\*doesn’t. Deserving a crime to be committed on you is the same kind of notion that Dio objects to when Gibson says she “deserved” getting punched in the teeth. Or, if as many people believe she was a gold-digger, did she “deserve” to get punched in the teeth? No matter how terrible the actions of one person on another, the other person is not immune to protection from the law. So as much as \*\*Dio \*\*thinks that Mel deserved being blackmailed, the law won’t see it that way if indeed this was the case. Finally, the last item in that exchange is \*\*Dio \*\*again at his finest: > [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > It doesn’t mean she did that, but if I used your logic, I could say “there’s no other way to interpret that”. So if she held onto this tape of a raving lunatic who was threatening her life without IMMEDIATELY turning them over to the police, I think that’s a problem. If she didn’t feel her life was in danger, why should we? > [@Diogenese the Cynic](#): > > Where are you getting this idea that she didn’t turn them over to the police? Cite? I have no cite. He knows that. Just as I know he has no cite that she turned the tapes over immediately. But asking him for a cite is pointless, because we don’t know yet. Here’s the thing, though. Once you take your emotions out of this argument, and you look at everything objectively, and you don’t have one position over the other, you must look at the whole picture. If anyone thinks that I am supporting the actions of Mel Gibson, they are wrong. I’m certainly not. However, until we find out how long the period of time between the recordings being made and turned over to the police, the question is not an irrelevant one. And for **Zoe** ; > [@Zoe](#): > > I think what you meant to say was “Michael Richards’ Nigger rant was just as objectionable as bitching about Jews in a drunken rage.” :smack: Yes, of course. Thank you for correcting my poorly constructed sentence. Finally, I’d like to point out that for all of the posters in this thread that think any other interpretation of any part of that phone call is impossible, think again. If this goes to a jury trial, there will be 12 different people sitting in judgement of all of the evidence. After the OJ trial, I am not convinced that \*any \*jury is immune to the strategy of a talented lawyer. I heard a quote once that said “what are the three worst words you can hear in the american judicial system? Trial by jury”. Indeed. I’ll stop replying to \*\*Dio \*\*in any fashion that resembles a debate. It has cluttered up the thread long enough. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2010, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/127 "2010-07-14T11:44:50Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > It’s also possible to believe that he’s a nutcase AND that she’s a golddigger, as evidenced by the fact that I believe both. On the nosey![/Igor] ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2010, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/128 "2010-07-14T12:35:56Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > As for watching **Braveheart** , this will make the final scenes a little more tolerable now. Good one, Zoe! FREEEEEEDOOOOOM!!! ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2010, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/129 "2010-07-14T16:39:34Z")
TMZ is reporting that Oksana’s dentist saw her just after the altercation, and she did have damage to 2 teeth. Her lawyers claim to have pictures. TMZ is quite an accurate source with respect to celebrities sometimes even scooping major news sources. And the last time her lawyers said they had something they referenced the tapes but did not discuss the contents. When this evidence is presented, one would hope some of you would change your positions. Also, yes Dio can be frustrating with his arguments. However, he’s sometimes right as I believe he is here with respect to the legality of the taping and admissibility thereof. I don’t practice in CA so this is just my opinion based on that statute and reported legality of same. ---
**Author:** ![Cadence](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Cadence](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cadence)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2010, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/130 "2010-07-14T16:44:21Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > So. She said that he hit her twice and knocked out her teeth. She asked him what kind of man does that. He said “You deserved it.” > > I’d honestly like to hear your ideas on what else that could possibly mean. What do you think him saying it means? I should have done it, because you deserved it, but I didn’t do it because I would never punch a woman. But I should have because you deserved it. However, I think he hit her. Bet she has pictures, too. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2010, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/131 "2010-07-14T17:01:22Z")
> [@Cadence](#): > > I should have done it, because you deserved it, but I didn’t do it because I would never punch a woman. But I should have because you deserved it. No, in that situation, you’d say, “You WOULD HAVE deserved it.” Not “You deserved it.” ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2010, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/132 "2010-07-14T17:06:29Z")
And how would that jibe with the “boo hoo” mocking? Mel is free to try to convince a jury that he was being hypothetical, or whatever, but I have doubts about how successful he’d be. Having said that, I doubt there’s much chance of anything going to trial. He’ll plead to something, pay some kind of damages and/or undisclosed civil settlement, then quietly disappear for a while and see if he can resurrect his career in a few years. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2010, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/133 "2010-07-14T17:12:23Z")
He probably won’t disappear at all and will immediately do a re-make of the _The Burning Bed_, from the guy’s point of view. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2010, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/134 "2010-07-14T17:17:13Z")
> [@descamisado](#): > > He probably won’t disappear at all and will immediately do a re-make of the _The Burning Bed_, from the guy’s point of view. I can see the tagline on the poster now: HOW DARE SHE BE SUCH A BITCH TO HIM AFTER HE HAS BEEN SO FUCKING NICE? ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2010, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/135 "2010-07-14T17:18:50Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > No, in that situation, you’d say, “You WOULD HAVE deserved it.” Not “You deserved it.” Please stop injecting reasonable logic into this thread when there is a GOLD-DIGGING BITCH ON THE LOOSE! ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2010, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/136 "2010-07-14T17:25:44Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > Please stop injecting reasonable logic into this thread when there is a GOLD-DIGGING BITCH ON THE LOOSE! Why don’t you just fucking smile and blow me, **Sleeps With Butterflies**? I deserveeeeeeeeeeeee it. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2010, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/137 "2010-07-14T17:28:44Z")
You know back when I still liked Gibson, my favorite acting moments of his were when he’d have these flashes of manic rage - \*Lethal Weapon \*had several moemnts like this, as did _Braveheart_. Little did I realize that those were the moments he’d STOP acting. ---
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2010, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/138 "2010-07-14T17:29:58Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > Why don’t you just fucking smile and blow me, **Sleeps With Butterflies**? I deserveeeeeeeeeeeee it. You’re just jealous because all of your friends would BLOW MEEEEEE in a second if they could. I SAW THE LOOK IN THEIR EYES. I’m trying to PROTECT YOU. Can’t you see that? AND YOU TREAT ME THIS WAY WHEN I’VE BEEN SO NICE! :: pow pow, pow pow pow upside your head :: ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2010, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/139 "2010-07-14T17:33:27Z")
> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#): > > Please stop injecting reasonable logic into this thread when there is a GOLD-DIGGING BITCH ON THE LOOSE! Hide your sons! ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2010, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson-dials-it-up-to-11-with-new-telephone-recording/546490/140 "2010-07-14T17:38:44Z")
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