# Mel Gibson **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 31, 2006, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636 "2006-07-31T00:48:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Salt\_Seller](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Salt\_Seller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salt_Seller)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636/61 "2006-08-01T16:17:46Z")
[QUOTE=dropzone] Yeah, yeah, yeah, “blood on us,” Original Sin, Mark of Cain, etc. All very good reasons to be careful when choosing which parts of Judaism and Christianity to follow. [/QUOTE] Well, yes, but the whole foundation of Christianity–it’s need for Jesus and salvation–rests on the concept of original sin. If we weren’t still paying for Adam and Eve (in it’s view), we wouldn’t need to be saved. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636/62 "2006-08-01T17:10:24Z")
And THAT’S why I’m such a lousy Christian! ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636/63 "2006-08-01T17:17:14Z")
[QUOTE=Lochdale] I absolutely think there is a gay agenda and a black agenda. There is also a catholic agenda, a muslim agenda, a nudist agenda, a ufo spotters agenda etc. Put another way, a group that is (for the most part) single issue or ethnicall or culturally defined has an agenda. That agenda may bias it’s stance on an issue for better or for worse. [/QUOTE] To paraphrase the old joke, if you have four Jews you’d have five agendas. Still, not being gay, I never had my own agenda before. What is it, pray tell? The ADLs is fighting against hatred, which is boring and obvious. Maybe a decent bagel store on each corner and some decent pastrami in California? ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636/64 "2006-08-01T21:33:14Z")
The term “agenda” is used by those who oppose it, to imply that their enemy has some sort of hidden, conspiratorial focus. With large groups, like Jews, gays, blacks, Republicans, or women, I don’t think it is reasonable to talk about “an agenda.” [Moderator Hat On] OK, guys, we’ve let this roam wild and far-free. However, this forum is Cafe Society. You want to discuss Mel Gibson and his actions, OK, that’s tied to Hollywood and therefore suitable for this forum. (Much though I dislike the notion of our forum being a star-gazing magazine.) However: discussion of Jesus’ death and trial belongs in Great Debates (or in Comments on Staff Reports, as you choose)… and not here. Discussion of anti-Jewish sentiments belong in Great Debates, or in GQ depending on the question itself. So, back on track, please. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636/65 "2006-08-01T21:42:49Z")
[QUOTE=Voyager] To paraphrase the old joke, if you have four Jews you’d have five agendas. Still, not being gay, I never had my own agenda before. What is it, pray tell? The ADLs is fighting against hatred, which is boring and obvious. Maybe a decent bagel store on each corner and **some decent pastrami in California**? [/QUOTE] Check out The Hat, not gourmet, but very very very very tasty. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636/66 "2006-08-01T22:24:16Z")
Perhaps it is reasonable to note a group’s agenda rather than equating it to a larger ethnic or religious group? It’s always relevant to note a groups bias one way or another and that’s the point I’m trying to get across. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636/67 "2006-08-01T22:37:57Z")
Pop culture luminary Mike Passion wrote this about the Gibson incident: > [@](#): > > I was an onlooker and viewed the whole bloody thing, believe me. Mel was using his Fhoard Falchion, the last V-8 interceptor on the planet earth. When he reared down Muhammad drive, he hit the oscillation over-thruster on his car which accosted him to reach about 567,000 PRM’s down the causeway. Once he hit 5672,000 MPR’s, the police force seen this, and they pulled over his micro-machine. That’s when I seen this guys looks. This man is wretched, old and blue, with weird wrinkles, wharfs, green skin tone, and deep abrasions above his eyes, hilts, lips, and has husks about his face. Bent with boils, he stepped from his car with lesions about his face and crusts. Haunched and defeated, Merl had a long, unkempt spinach which was wisp and weak about his chint. His hair was a forelock and horn rims with moss forming around his hairline. From his nose, boogerts and past participles hung grotesquely, signifying the fact that he neglects his buddy. He was wearing his old Wrigley custom-fit red leather jacket complete with epaulets, strap, and stirrups. He had this outfit since he was with the coalition force with his best friend, Dim Goose, who got blown in the outback and became a green, eggplant man betwixt two burnt weenies. When Melt got out from the car, the police sucked his breath with a leather windpipe, and made him chew and spit double-mint to relieve his tension. His breathe revealed 167% toxicification. They pit him in the squad car for safe keeping until the ambulate arrived, but that’s when Mel transfigured between the cushions of the cruiser. He had the temperament of a deacon. He turned blood red and swelled with evil bicarbonate forces, screaming like a banshee, spurting milk and oatmeal, and raving whilst shunting in his pant and yelling into the cushions. That’s went he looked like a daemon. He clambered out from the pleasure cruiser and proclaimed his haltered for Jews which his dad, Worth Gibson, taught him. “They ruined my life, they did this,” said Bumbaud. He said his god would destroy the east, and crush the Jews in Howard, Jersey, and where ever. He said his raiment changed green and he had the look of a blue devil with fangs. He ran, shrinking to five feet tall and began biting the tires of his trans-am. He cried like a child and threw a fit, decreasing in size to about four foot. Because of this, the force apprehended him easily and locked him within the Halls of Justice in Sacramento. That’s when he growled and was chained to the furnace in area 2. His belonging was a packet in his pocket in which he stored unhappy, little creatures with fangs and evil ways. They were little grablins, ugly and wretched, and varying in colour and skill. They destroyed this quickly, and stowed Gemstone’s body on a shelf as he recovered from the nights debauch. Moral was very weak in his thong in the morning, so he was fed high energy biscuits and brandy to stabilize his. He stood aloof with an erection and was taken to 58,000 Bailt, the holding area for scumbags. There, he had to rendezvous with his co-star from Lethal Weapons, David Allen Grier. Evidently, he enjoys the company of handsome black men, but hates Jewish men. Mel, what the heck is the matter with you? What good book have you been reading, man? It looks like you took the wrong choice in gods and shall find yourself rotting in heck for your crimes because you follow Satin, not God. You said your father was a telepathic boss in God’s army, but you liar, you scum. I suggest that you take these days to reflect upon your snits, you poor old fool. How can a man, a man ho had this house on the botch of Australia, and a wife with frizzy hair and babies do this? Hey, Mirth, go F yourself, man. Get help. I loved you once, man though. Then you banshees our creed, damaged blacks, hews, Jews, and everything. You piece of nerf. You should serve a long, pleasant prison sentence - but your conscience will enbdude you, husk breath. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636/68 "2006-08-01T23:42:58Z")
[QUOTE=Gangster Octopus] Check out The Hat, not gourmet, but very very very very tasty. [/QUOTE] You’re in LA. Here in the Bay Area, we got bupkus. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636/69 "2006-08-02T00:50:47Z")
[QUOTE=Argent Towers] Pop culture luminary Mike Passion wrote this about the Gibson incident: [/QUOTE] Wow. Shames Joys snides eggen. 😕 ELVIS=LIVES ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636/70 "2006-08-02T01:35:09Z")
Has there been any description of just how a drunk-driving arrest led to the assertion that the Jewish people are “responsible for all the wars in the world”? Was one of the arresting officers Jewish? Or is Mel nuttier than I’ve previously believed, blaming anything bad in his life on “the Jews”? (I’m reminded of the _Onion_ article, “KKK Member Having Trouble Finding Someone to Blame for his Hangover”). ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636/71 "2006-08-02T01:40:13Z")
Merl obviously saw the six-pointed star on the Sherrif’s breastplate and mistook him for a member of the Zionist Secret Police. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636/72 "2006-08-02T01:43:44Z")
good to know i wasn’t alone in seeing a bit of sadam in mel. i’m a bit unclear on exactly what he said. they keep mentioning antisem. and sexist remarks. the antisem. remarks have been reported, but i haven’t hear what the sexist bit was. was a police woman involved in this somehow? or did he just blame women for everything after blaming jews. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636/73 "2006-08-02T01:48:38Z")
[QUOTE=rocking chair] good to know i wasn’t alone in seeing a bit of sadam in mel. i’m a bit unclear on exactly what he said. they keep mentioning antisem. and sexist remarks. the antisem. remarks have been reported, but i haven’t hear what the sexist bit was. was a police woman involved in this somehow? or did he just blame women for everything after blaming jews. [/QUOTE] He reportedly said to a female officer, “What’s your problem, sugar tits?” ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636/74 "2006-08-02T02:03:43Z")
Maybe he was reading her mind and knew that she WANTED him to say that. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636/75 "2006-08-02T02:16:19Z")
[QUOTE=Argent Towers] Maybe he was reading her mind and knew that she WANTED him to say that. [/QUOTE] Shame on you. I heard it was “What are you looking at, sugar tits?” ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636/76 "2006-08-02T04:04:09Z")
I’ve always liked Mel, and have usually liked his movies… but I’m afraid he’s finished, and probably rightly so. I mean, there’s absolutely no way he can ever do light banter with Leno and Letterman again. There’s just no way he can ever be seen as the same happy-go-lucky, fun-loving guy he seemed to be earlier. All the apologies in the world (even if they’re completely sincere) can never make him widely likeable again. But then, I thought Sean Connery was dead meat when he told Barbara Walters that sometimes you just have to slap your woman around, to make her shut up. Sean never apologized, never even acted as if he’d said anything wrong, but somehow he’s thrived anyway. So, there’s a chance Mel can recover, but I wouldn’t bet on it. I think he’s done. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636/77 "2006-08-02T04:09:57Z")
[QUOTE=astorian] I mean, there’s absolutely no way he can ever do light banter with Leno and Letterman again. There’s just no way he can ever be seen as the same happy-go-lucky, fun-loving guy he seemed to be earlier. All the apologies in the world (even if they’re completely sincere) can never make him widely likeable again. [/quote] On the bright side, he might bump Russell Crowe from hosting _Fighting 'Round the World!_🙂 [QUOTE=astorian] But then, I thought Sean Connery was dead meat when he told Barbara Walters that sometimes you just have to slap your woman around, to make her shut up. [/QUOTE] 😕 You know a better way to make her shut up? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636/78 "2006-08-02T05:30:47Z")
Wait-WHEN did Connery say that? Are you sure he wasn’t kidding around? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636/79 "2006-08-02T05:41:37Z")
Connery had the advantage of being older, though, and some allowances were made for it being a generational thing (up to now, I thought, Gibson had some sympathy because his father was such a racist embarrassment - this is the first time I’ve heard Gibson himself shared the sentiments). Besides, it’s not like James Bond is a real crusader for women’s rights - Connery didn’t have a nice-guy image shattered by being blunt. For that matter, has Connery _ever_ played a role comparable to Gibson’s in _What Women Want_? Any of Connery’s characters would’ve gunned that guy down in contempt for the good of the Empire. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2006, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636/80 "2006-08-02T05:52:49Z")
[QUOTE=Guinastasia] Wait-WHEN did Connery say that? Are you sure he wasn’t kidding around? [/QUOTE] Nope, not kidding around. He said it to Walters in December, 1987. I saw that interview myself and was slack-jawed when I heard that. He’s made other similar statements, as well. > [@](#): > > [Sean Connery - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Connery) > > He caused an uproar in a December 1987 interview with Barbara Walters in which he said it was OK for a man to hit a woman, assuming that it was required to calm her down or “keep her [in line]”. Connery had made similar remarks in a November 1965 interview with Playboy magazine on the set of Thunderball. > [@](#): > > [http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=652&id=1991682005](http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=652&id=1991682005) > > Speculation about Connery’s supposedly rough treatment of his first wife was sparked by two separate comments given to magazine interviews. In 1965 he told Playboy: “I don’t think there is anything particularly wrong in hitting a woman, though I don’t recommend you do it the same way that you hit a man.” > > In another interview, this time with Vanity Fair in 1993, he said: “Sometimes there are women who take it to the wire. That’s what they are looking for, the ultimate confrontation. They want a smack.” Of course he denies ever hitting his former wife and says his comments were taken out of context (though I can’t imagine what context they might be considered ok in), but having said virtually the same thing on at least 3 separate occasions over several years, I highly doubt his denials. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mel-gibson/366636.md?page=5)