# Melania Trump and Son Barron Won't Move Immediately into White House **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 22, 2016, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703 "2016-11-22T00:41:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/61 "2016-11-22T17:51:36Z")
Part of the “employment contract” for the job of POTUS is that he or she will get accommodation and secret service protection for their family as part of the position. If a person in the office of POTUS chooses to have their family (or themselves) live elsewhere, that is certainly their own choice. However; If they ALSO wish to maintain the benefit of secret service protection while refusing the offer of accommodation (where the protection is easier and cheaper to maintain), then they must bear the cost of this themselves. It’s just common sense. - You don’t want a benefit that comes with the job? Fine. But don’t expect the employer (the taxpayer) to pay for a much greater expense, just because you felt like it. The line needs to be drawn in the sand with Trump and family NOW. Let them know that the taxpayer is not their personal piggy bank, who will pay for whatever expense they feel like. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/62 "2016-11-22T17:52:10Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > It was completely gutted and reconstructed in 1948 during the Truman administration. > [@Quartz](#): > > 70 years ago? Then it’s definitely time. Great. Trump is about to go on a gilt trip. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/63 "2016-11-22T17:52:37Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > You believe the “successful businessman,” the “billionaire” didn’t realize or didn’t care how much it would cost the country to do it this way? “didn’t care” = yes. Not like it’s HIS money. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/64 "2016-11-22T17:59:59Z")
Mr. Trump is who decided the wife and child stay in NYC. Her agency is minimal and once there’s a plan whereby money can be made from whatever she does as FLOTUS, only then will she be put in front of the public frequently. No one who has or has had the Trump name works for free and they consider [every appearance](http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/15/news/companies/ivanka-trump-bracelet-promotion/) the media covers to be work. They’ll capitalize on it thusly. On an historic note, the Obamas made an effort to move into a White House guest accommodation before New Year’s Eve of 2008 so their daughters could start school locally on January 5th, before the Inauguration. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/65 "2016-11-22T18:21:06Z")
Clearly Melania and Barron are worse than Hitler. How fucking dare they make a choice that is best for them. I for one stand by my fellow dopers in proclaiming them the white supremacists that they are because only a white supremacist would want their child to have continuity in his education. Those fucking racist scum. Melania is obviously a misogynist for putting the welfare of a male over the needs of the country. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/66 "2016-11-22T18:31:40Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Clearly Melania and Barron are worse than Hitler. How fucking dare they make a choice that is best for them. I for one stand by my fellow dopers in proclaiming them the white supremacists that they are because only a white supremacist would want their child to have continuity in his education. Those fucking racist scum. > > Melania is obviously a misogynist for putting the welfare of a male over the needs of the country. Cut the dose in half or double it. One of them has to work. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/67 "2016-11-22T19:47:01Z")
This is a non-issue. Presidents frequently cause local expenditures, tough shit, he’s the President. We pay for it. End of story. The President can absolutely work from anywhere. In fact Bush spent over 2 years bedding down in places not in Washington D.C.–and that’s just counting his domestic excursions. During his eight years in office he spent 487 days in Camp David, and 490 days at his Crawford, TX ranch. Neither are the White House, Camp David is a government property for the President’s use, but certainly isn’t as fully equipped as the White House, particularly not for the President’s staff. But the reality is the staff can largely stay in Washington and work in the West Wing, a few handlers and comm links and such and the President is fine. In terms of security, of course, neither compare to Trump Tower. Camp David is designed for Presidential use and is heavily secured, and rural, which makes it easy. The Crawford ranch is a private residence, but is rural and on a lot of property, which makes it very easy to secure. Remember how Cindy Sheehan spent ages camped out front protesting? The ranch is so big that she couldn’t even get line of sight on the actual residence. Securing Trump Tower for what will likely be very frequent Presidential visits will almost certainly be a nightmare, particularly since much of its floorspace outside of the 3-story Trump family penthouse are residential units for other private citizens, business offices for the Trump Organization and other businesses, or retail floor space, and then the atrium/lobby are legally public property and open to the public. To a degree the White House has similar issues, part of the building (a small part) are open to public tours. The big concerns with Trump Tower are that it’s not “set back” at all, it’s right in the middle of busy Manhattan streets, and it’s also a tower, in a city with major air traffic and that exposes it to potential aerial threats much moreso than the White House (which is well within the area around D.C. where planes cannot fly at all.) They have closed off air space around Trump Tower, but the bubble around it is a lot smaller than the huge one around Washington. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/68 "2016-11-22T20:06:02Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > This is a non-issue. Presidents frequently cause local expenditures, tough shit, he’s the President. We pay for it. End of story. > > . True although handing this particular president elect a blank check this early in the process is a very dangerous thing to do IMHO. Are you comfortable with effectively letting Trump know he has absolutely unlimited scope to spend whatever he wants on his own and his family’s personal convenience and comfort? Can you conceive that his past behaviors and history just might indicate that he could abuse an blank-check approach, and perhaps limits should be set sooner rather than later? He is well known for both personal extravagance as well as a proclivity to get others to pay for things… bad combo. ---
**Author:** ![Nema98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d2c977/32.png) [@Nema98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nema98)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/69 "2016-11-22T20:11:28Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > You asked for opinions and I gave one. You don’t get to be butt-hurt because of that. Who said I was butt hurt? I was giving different scenarios as to the reason. It could be just the reason given by the family, or it could be something more and Barron’s education being “disrupted” could be an excuse. But thank you for your input.:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/70 "2016-11-22T20:12:12Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > True although handing this particular president elect a blank check this early in the process is a very dangerous thing to do IMHO. Are you comfortable with effectively letting Trump know he has absolutely unlimited scope to spend whatever he wants on his own and his family’s personal convenience and comfort? > > Can you conceive that his past behaviors and history just might indicate that he could abuse an blank-check approach, and perhaps limits should be set sooner rather than later? He is well known for both personal extravagance as well as a proclivity to get others to pay for things… bad combo. I’d love to put a lot of limitations on Trump, but he will soon be President with a Republican Congress, so I’m not holding my breath. ---
**Author:** ![Nema98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d2c977/32.png) [@Nema98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nema98)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/71 "2016-11-22T20:20:04Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Clearly Melania and Barron are worse than Hitler. How fucking dare they make a choice that is best for them. I for one stand by my fellow dopers in proclaiming them the white supremacists that they are because only a white supremacist would want their child to have continuity in his education. Those fucking racist scum. > > Melania is obviously a misogynist for putting the welfare of a male over the needs of the country. Well its not like they will be the first ones to be demonized, heck Obama and his family were given much more hell for nothing. The Trumps, most of all Donalds own tongue, open them up to taking lots of shit. Just today it was revealed that Ivanka was on the line while her father was conversing with the Argentine president. Even after she promised she would not be present at any meetings between her father and foreign dignitaries. Pictures showed she was present at the meeting between Japanese pm Shinzo Abe and her father last week. We know this because the Japanese released photos of the talks. The Trumps absolutely did not allow press to be present, even though all former administrations allowed by virtue of it being tradition. But don’t let the facts get in your way. We don’t want Barron and the rest of this family to be traumatized and disrupted. If this were the Obama family, Conservatives would have screamed that this “black, Muslim family” disrespect America, and all such nonsense. Plus a thin skinned blow hard who takes to Twitter to respond to every slight, deserves it. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/72 "2016-11-22T20:20:20Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > It’s all talk so far. And some of it designed to evoke the hair tearing plaintive wails that make his critics look petty. Just wait for it, it will come. And to distract from other, more important news items, like the Trump Foundation misusing funds, and Trump calling the national media in for a Come to Jesus\* meeting. Let’s keep our eyes on the ball, people. I don’t blame Melania one bit for not wanting to move herself and her son to the White House. However, their staying behind in NYC is going to cost the taxpayers a fortune, at either the local or federal level. I feel for her being married to that oaf, but the city of New York shouldn’t have to pay the price (and it won’t be the 1% that pays). \*Yes, he does identify with Jesus, except the loser part where Jesus let the Romans kill him. _“I prefer deities that don’t get killed.”_ ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/73 "2016-11-22T20:21:02Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > 70 years ago? Then it’s definitely time. You could say the same for Buckingham Palace. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/74 "2016-11-22T20:24:41Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Part of the “employment contract” for the job of POTUS is that he or she will get accommodation and secret service protection for their family as part of the position. If a person in the office of POTUS chooses to have their family (or themselves) live elsewhere, that is certainly their own choice. > > However; If they ALSO wish to maintain the benefit of secret service protection while refusing the offer of accommodation (where the protection is easier and cheaper to maintain), then they must bear the cost of this themselves. > \*\* > It’s just common sense\*\*. - You don’t want a benefit that comes with the job? Fine. But don’t expect the employer (the taxpayer) to pay for a much greater expense, just because you felt like it. > > The line needs to be drawn in the sand with Trump and family NOW. Let them know that the taxpayer is not their personal piggy bank, who will pay for whatever expense they feel like. My bold. **ALARM** **ALARM** You used the “c-word.” “Common sense.” Don’t expect to see a lot of that in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Nema98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d2c977/32.png) [@Nema98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nema98)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/75 "2016-11-22T20:31:44Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > This. > > Of all the things the OP could reasonably complain about, he picks this? > > I too have not found d that stra get either. > > Regards, > Shodan I did not complain, just giving different scenarios as to why this is. It could be just that, they want to wait until school year is done. Or it could be something else, and this is all an excuse. I gave potential reasons objectively, not that I believe these are the reasons myself. Plus the press covered this, so it’s not like I was the one who started it. It’s good to be open minded and think and question things Shodan. Take for example Ivanka’s involvement in her father’s meetings with leaders, people question whether this is an attempt on the part of the Trump family to make business deals all the while discussing foreign policy. Or whether Steve Bannon is a racist, he may not be but given his media outlet has published racist material, we should question his character and that of Donald Trump by extension. Don’t worry we are not looking to disrupt poor widdle Barron, just questioning things. You are 60 years old and have not grasped that , but it’s never too late to start thinking. Regards :smack::rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/76 "2016-11-22T22:07:26Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Jesus Christ, I can’t imagine how this will affect the country – let the poor kid finish out the school year. Don’t start acting like the Freepers and go after a ten year old, fuck’s sake. A SPECIAL NEEDS TEN YEAR OLD. Let’s not let that go by. The Orange Thing spawned an imperfect ‘special needs’ offspring. Why, he may not ever be able to go on a canned hunt and shoot an endangered species to parade around, poor damaged thing! Widdle Twump can’t take any uproar in his routine. Mummy has to (in spite of dragoons of minions to do the real work) stay with him. Stay out of that icky White House that doesn’t even have gold toilet seats to squat on. Fine! So be it! Let them live elsewhere in splendor, even though it’s hardly 'Murican for her to not take up a First Lady ‘cause’ - which she already firmly stated she would NOT do. I mean. Can you see her doing anything at ALL like visiting AIDS victims, war casualties, veterans hospitals, anything icky at all? She’s totally unqualified to be anytthing like a First Lady and has justifiably bugged out of that gig. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/77 "2016-11-23T01:03:11Z")
Wait, are you talking about REGULATING THE FIRST LADY?! I should start a thread about that!! ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/78 "2016-11-23T01:11:33Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > A SPECIAL NEEDS TEN YEAR OLD. Let’s not let that go by. The Orange Thing spawned an imperfect ‘special needs’ offspring. Why, he may not ever be able to go on a canned hunt and shoot an endangered species to parade around, poor damaged thing! > Widdle Twump can’t take any uproar in his routine. Mummy has to (in spite of dragoons of minions to do the real work) stay with him. Stay out of that icky White House that doesn’t even have gold toilet seats to squat on. > Fine! So be it! Let them live elsewhere in splendor, even though it’s hardly 'Murican for her to not take up a First Lady ‘cause’ - which she already firmly stated she would NOT do. I mean. Can you see her doing anything at ALL like visiting AIDS victims, war casualties, veterans hospitals, anything icky at all? She’s totally unqualified to be anytthing like a First Lady and has justifiably bugged out of that gig. I thought her cause was going to be online bullying? ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/79 "2016-11-23T01:24:49Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > A SPECIAL NEEDS TEN YEAR OLD. Let’s not let that go by. The Orange Thing spawned an imperfect ‘special needs’ offspring. Why, he may not ever be able to go on a canned hunt and shoot an endangered species to parade around, poor damaged thing! I don’t think the Trumps have ever said Barron has any special needs. I do see where sites have tried to imply he does and start rumors but no word from the parents themselves. Undoubtedly, Trump’s fortune would go to his son’s schooling if there were special needs to be met and it was necessary; Donald isn’t a complete moron when it comes to his kids, he clearly prefers they have success (however self-serving his ‘brand’ motives might be). ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/80 "2016-11-23T01:32:34Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > [Protecting Donald Trump costs New York City more than $1 million a day](http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/21/news/protecting-donald-trump/index.html) Even if they move that expense doesn’t zero out. From your story > [@](#): > > Adding to the expense is the cost of police assigned to Trump’s adult children and his grandchildren, who are also receiving Secret Service protection, John Miller, NYPD’s deputy commissioner of intelligence & counterterrorism, told WCBS Monday. All of them live in the city, and all are entitled to receive Secret Service protection. It would be interesting to see a breakout of what remaining spending would be for the extended family protection in addition to fixed spending for security infrastructure if he say took vacation at home a week or two a year. I suspect that won’t happen. Those who are outraged have no motivation to want anything except the biggest number possible to bandy about. Those who don’t care…still won’t care. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703.md?page=5)