# Melania Trump and Son Barron Won't Move Immediately into White House **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 22, 2016, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703 "2016-11-22T00:41:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![akennett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee59a6/32.png) [@akennett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/akennett)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/81 "2016-11-23T01:45:07Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Except this decision will likely cost the taxpayers of New York $365 million per year, because the estimate for NYPD security for Trump Tower is estimated at $1 million per day while Melania and Barron live there. > > If Melania and Barron never move to Washington, then the cost is over a billion dollars during Trump’s term. > > If New York gets a federal subsidy, then the cost is transferred to all US taxpayers. > > An expense of over one billion dollars from public money isn’t a matter of interest to the public? > > [Protecting Donald Trump costs New York City more than $1 million a day](http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/21/news/protecting-donald-trump/index.html) There’s a simple solution to this problem is New Yorkers don’t want to bear this cost. Stop using their police resources to provide baby-sitting services for a couple of private citizens. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/82 "2016-11-23T02:00:06Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > This is a non-issue. […] > > Securing Trump Tower for what will likely be very frequent Presidential visits will almost certainly be a nightmare […] > > The big concerns with Trump Tower are that it’s not “set back” at all, it’s right in the middle of busy Manhattan streets, and it’s also a tower, in a city with major air traffic and that exposes it to potential aerial threats much moreso than the White House (which is well within the area around D.C. where planes cannot fly at all.) They have closed off air space around Trump Tower, but the bubble around it is a lot smaller than the huge one around Washington. All of which, plus the tremendous expense involved, would seem to make this decision not exactly a “non-issue”. The public may not be able to help paying for it, but that doesn’t mean the public doesn’t get to complain about being screwed over so hard for the personal convenience of somebody who’s supposed to be our #1 public servant, not our tyrannical boss. (The portion of the public that’s been howling for eight years about unconscionable taxpayer expense every time the Obamas take a vacation are especially invited to contemplate this prospect.) ---
**Author:** ![Lucky\_Mike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Lucky\_Mike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucky_Mike)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/83 "2016-11-23T03:14:52Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > A SPECIAL NEEDS TEN YEAR OLD. Let’s not let that go by. The Orange Thing spawned an imperfect ‘special needs’ offspring. Why, he may not ever be able to go on a canned hunt and shoot an endangered species to parade around, poor damaged thing! > Widdle Twump can’t take any uproar in his routine. Mummy has to (in spite of dragoons of minions to do the real work) stay with him. Stay out of that icky White House that doesn’t even have gold toilet seats to squat on. > Fine! So be it! Let them live elsewhere in splendor, even though it’s hardly 'Murican for her to not take up a First Lady ‘cause’ - which she already firmly stated she would NOT do. I mean. Can you see her doing anything at ALL like visiting AIDS victims, war casualties, veterans hospitals, anything icky at all? She’s totally unqualified to be anytthing like a First Lady and has justifiably bugged out of that gig. For what it is worth, Trump is a horrible person and I think he is deplorable. I am deeply ashamed of my society for electing him. Unless there is a joke here which I am missing (and I may be because Poe’s law and all), but I am also finding your comments deplorable. Do I think the Trump family should be able to disrupt Manhattan for 4 (or 8 ) years?No. I am sorry, we do not have a modern precedent for that and they need to go to the white house as soon as they can. Am I gonna pile on a kid because his narcissistic, evil father, plopped him down on a lion, surrounded by limo playing cars, in a penthouse made of gold? No, I am not. I will not judge a son by his fathers actions and I will not give a son grace by them either. Kid has his own chance to be evil in life, or good, gotta give him that. Might just be that moment on that stuffed lion, surrounded by gold and limo playing cars, made that scrappy little bugger say “fuck trump, fuck my dad”. No matter what, that little dude gets left out. Let him be evil or good in his own time. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/84 "2016-11-23T03:44:56Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > I thought her cause was going to be online bullying? Yes, although I doubt she ever imagined she’d actually become the First Lady when she said that. Now she’s stuck unless she divorces Donald. Sure she’d have to downsize, but Ivana Trump & Marla Maples are doing OK for themselves. She’d get a shit ton of book deals though, (more reason for Trump to buy her off in the settlement). Otherwise she’ll make Bess Truman look enthusiastic. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/85 "2016-11-23T03:55:00Z")
> [@Lucky\_Mike](#): > > For what it is worth, Trump is a horrible person and I think he is deplorable. I am deeply ashamed of my society for electing him. > > Unless there is a joke here which I am missing (and I may be because Poe’s law and all), but I am also finding your comments deplorable. > > Do I think the Trump family should be able to disrupt Manhattan for 4 (or 8 ) years?No. I am sorry, we do not have a modern precedent for that and they need to go to the white house as soon as they can. > > Am I gonna pile on a kid because his narcissistic, evil father, plopped him down on a lion, surrounded by limo playing cars, in a penthouse made of gold? No, I am not. I will not judge a son by his fathers actions and I will not give a son grace by them either. > > Kid has his own chance to be evil in life, or good, gotta give him that. Might just be that moment on that stuffed lion, surrounded by gold and limo playing cars, made that scrappy little bugger say “fuck trump, fuck my dad”. > > No matter what, that little dude gets left out. Let him be evil or good in his own time. I agree. Barron should be off limits, at least while he’s still a kid. He can’t help what family he was born into. ---
**Author:** ![keturah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e95f7d/32.png) [@keturah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keturah)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/86 "2016-11-23T04:04:45Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > A SPECIAL NEEDS TEN YEAR OLD. Let’s not let that go by. The Orange Thing spawned an imperfect ‘special needs’ offspring. Why, he may not ever be able to go on a canned hunt and shoot an endangered species to parade around, poor damaged thing! > Widdle Twump can’t take any uproar in his routine. Mummy has to (in spite of dragoons of minions to do the real work) stay with him. Stay out of that icky White House that doesn’t even have gold toilet seats to squat on. What a revolting way to talk about a 10 year old child. Name calling? Making fun of possible disabilities? Is this really how you think any child should be spoken about? ---
**Author:** ![Clarisse\_McClellan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Clarisse\_McClellan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clarisse_McClellan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/87 "2016-11-23T04:19:09Z")
I’m willing to bet Melania and Barron never see the inside of the White House whether Trump lasts the whole 4 years or not. Does anyone really think he treats his family any different than he treats everyone else? That he suddenly stops being a raging sociopathic narcissist when the cameras are gone and the doors are closed? That Melania is treated as his equal? That he has a loving father son relationship with Barron or that Barron, who has an entire floor of the Trump Towers to himself is a normal 10 year old? Trump has much to hide and he will keep them in NYC for the duration. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/88 "2016-11-23T04:26:46Z")
> [@keturah](#): > > What a revolting way to talk about a 10 year old child. Name calling? Making fun of possible disabilities? Is this really how you think any child should be spoken about? To be fair, although I prefer just to leave politicians’ minor children entirely out of discussions about the politicians (and also I am not **salinqmind** and cannot speak for him/her), it seemed pretty plain to me that **salinqmind** was mocking not Barron himself but rather the shallow, self-centered and self-aggrandizing way that Trump seems to assess his children. Kids, wives, friends, they all have to be braggably “hot” or “rich” or “the best” or whatever. A kid who even appeared to be developmentally disabled would be a YUGE embarrassment for the self-absorbed, image-obsessed, and empathy-poor Trump. ---
**Author:** ![keturah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e95f7d/32.png) [@keturah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keturah)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/89 "2016-11-23T04:44:04Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > To be fair, although I prefer just to leave politicians’ minor children entirely out of discussions about the politicians (and also I am not **salinqmind** and cannot speak for him/her), it seemed pretty plain to me that **salinqmind** was mocking not Barron himself but rather the shallow, self-centered and self-aggrandizing way that Trump seems to assess his children. > > Kids, wives, friends, they all have to be braggably “hot” or “rich” or “the best” or whatever. A kid who even appeared to be developmentally disabled would be a YUGE embarrassment for the self-absorbed, image-obsessed, and empathy-poor Trump. Her tone was venomous and she used a mocking name “Widdle Twump” to refer to a 10 year old child. We don’t know if Barron has special needs but she spoke about it as fact and that the possibility is something to be ashamed of. And she mocked the necessity to not “disrupt his routine” if he does have some sort of special need. That behavior is revolting to me no matter whose child is being discussed. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/90 "2016-11-23T05:39:25Z")
Sometimes I’m starting to wonder if I’m at the leftist-version of Free Republic. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/91 "2016-11-23T06:41:48Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > All of which, plus the tremendous expense involved, would seem to make this decision not exactly a “non-issue”. > > The public may not be able to help paying for it, but that doesn’t mean the public doesn’t get to complain about being screwed over so hard for the personal convenience of somebody who’s supposed to be our #1 public servant, not our tyrannical boss. (The portion of the public that’s been howling for eight years about unconscionable taxpayer expense every time the Obamas take a vacation are especially invited to contemplate this prospect.) Non-issue meaning it’s not a relevant political issue. The only people complaining are lefties and New Yorkers, two groups so irrelevant to the current crop coming to power in Washington that it’s kind of hilarious, really. Plus even if protecting Trump Tower cost $1bn/year, that’s just not that much money. Do you have any idea how much it costs to operate the President’s fleet of helicopters (the Marine One helicopters)? Or Air Force One? We’re spending tons of money on this stuff. $1bn/yr isn’t that much money for the government. That being said, while the Secret Service/Federal government never pay local law enforcement back for their services in Presidential visits (at least that I can tell, and I found a quote from the Secret Service to that effect), there’s also no legal requirement that New York City provide Trump with even one cent of protection. They’re doing it as a courtesy, out of respect to the office of the President. If they made the determination they couldn’t afford to, or did not desire, to use resources in this way, then the Secret Service would have to pull in more Federal resources to get the job done. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/92 "2016-11-23T07:23:11Z")
It might be kind of funny to see a NYPD cruiser try to pull over the presidential motorcade for running red lights. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/93 "2016-11-23T07:28:57Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Plus even if protecting Trump Tower cost $1bn/year, that’s just not that much money. Do you have any idea how much it costs to operate the President’s fleet of helicopters (the Marine One helicopters)? Or Air Force One? Yes. [It costs about a quarter-million dollars per hour to operate Air Force One](http://www.npr.org/2016/07/07/485097272/fact-check-air-force-one-who-pays), or a million dollars every four hours. To get to a billion dollars annually for Air Force One, **it would have to fly a _thousand_ four-hour trips per year, or _over ten hours of flight time every day_**. [QUOTE=Martin Hyde] We’re spending tons of money on this stuff. $1bn/yr isn’t that much money for the government. [/quote] One billion dollars a year **is** actually a lot of money for Presidential transportation. If Trump is planning to cost the taxpayers an extra billion dollars or so annually just to cater to his Golden Emperor whim of sleeping in his Manhattan home instead of in the official residence that he sought so determinedly to be allowed to occupy, that doesn’t seem to me like a shrug and a who-cares. Certainly none of the people who whined about the cost of Obama’s vacations have any business shrugging off the huge expenses of Trump’s proposed commuter lifestyle. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/94 "2016-11-23T07:35:16Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Yes. [It costs about a quarter-million dollars per hour to operate Air Force One](http://www.npr.org/2016/07/07/485097272/fact-check-air-force-one-who-pays), or a million dollars every four hours. To get to a billion dollars annually for Air Force One, **it would have to fly a _thousand_ four-hour trips per year, or _over ten hours of flight time every day_**. You forgot this part from your cite: “It should be noted, that precise hourly rate is an Air Force accounting fiction of its own.” > [@](#): > > Certainly none of the people who whined about the cost of Obama’s vacations have any business shrugging off the huge expenses of Trump’s proposed commuter lifestyle. Which certainly has no bearing on whether they actually will shrug it off or not. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/95 "2016-11-23T12:44:37Z")
I don’t blame her for wanting to live separately from Der Obergropenfuhrer. She’s married to a man who wants to sleep with one of his daughters and who has another daughter who won’t let him kiss her on the cheek. Every time I see Mrs. Trump on a stage with her husband she looks like she wishes she were further away. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/96 "2016-11-23T13:18:14Z")
I’m sort of surprised he hasn’t replaced her with a newer model yet. Hey, she’s pushing 50 now! ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/97 "2016-11-23T14:03:49Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > To a degree the White House has similar issues, part of the building (a small part) are open to public tours. The big concerns with Trump Tower are that it’s not “set back” at all, it’s right in the middle of busy Manhattan streets, and it’s also a tower, in a city with major air traffic and that exposes it to potential aerial threats much moreso than the White House (which is well within the area around D.C. where planes cannot fly at all.) They have closed off air space around Trump Tower, but the bubble around it is a lot smaller than the huge one around Washington. Given that a yahoo uses a one-man gyrocopter to violate the DC airspace in 2015 and landed on the Capitol lawn I question just how useful that airspace ban actually is. It’s 90% security theater at best. If someone was _really_ intent on harm via aircraft there’s damn little that can be done once the bird is in the air. The no-fly zone that follows the PotUS is just as annoying and disruptive as the Presidential motorcade screwing up ground traffic. And, just want to point out that airplanes CAN fly around DC and do so routinely - if they couldn’t Reagan National would have been shut down in the early 00’s. Trump Tower is a target because it’s a big, tall building in the middle of a busy city and no one is willing to secure it by moving everyone but Trump out of arbitrary number of blocks around the place and shutting down airspace around the nation’s largest city completely. Maybe we should just get a grip on the notion that we can’t make anyone or anything 100% safe and settle for a reasonable trade-off. > [@salinqmind](#): > > A SPECIAL NEEDS TEN YEAR OLD. Let’s not let that go by. The Orange Thing spawned an imperfect ‘special needs’ offspring. Why, he may not ever be able to go on a canned hunt and shoot an endangered species to parade around, poor damaged thing! This is just as repulsive as Trump himself mocking a disabled journalist. Nevermind that I’ve never heard any indication that Barron is in any was disabled. You should be ashamed of yourself. That post was a shitty thing to do. > [@salinqmind](#): > > Fine! So be it! Let them live elsewhere in splendor, even though it’s hardly 'Murican for her to not take up a First Lady ‘cause’ - which she already firmly stated she would NOT do. I mean. Can you see her doing anything at ALL like visiting AIDS victims, war casualties, veterans hospitals, anything icky at all? She’s totally unqualified to be anytthing like a First Lady and has justifiably bugged out of that gig. To begin with, the First Lady doesn’t have any official duties whatsoever. None. Although traditional for her to take on various causes and act as hostess she is in no way _obligated_ to do so. Recent First Ladies have been women with careers of their own outside the home but Melania, although having had a career prior to marrying Trump, has been a stay-at-home mother with Barron and arguably “trophy wife” and there is no reason she can’t continue as such. Also, she HAS stated her cause being the issue of cyberbullying, especially of children - but why would she need to worry about that, it’s not like anyone has implied her son is abnormal or “special needs” on line, right? :rolleyes: As far as being qualified… she speaks six languages and had a career as a model, if you’re talking about hostess duties at something like a state dinner where basically she has to look pretty and engage in small talk I’d think she is _very_ qualified. I don’t know if she’d be willing to visit “AIDS victims, war casualties, veterans hospitals, anything icky” - Princess Diana came out of a much more privileged background than Melanija Knavs, was a literal princess who only had to look pretty at public appearances and raise an heir to the throne yet became rather well known for that sort of thing. I don’t assume that because she’s married to Trump she’s a vapid, empty-headed thing that needs bubble wrap around her. Prior to meeting Trump she was supporting herself and had traveled extensively in Europe and North America as an ordinary person of modest means, she’s not some clueless idiot raised from birth to be an ornament. I have no idea of what she is or isn’t capable of doing or how she really feels about becoming FLotUS - and neither do you. I find Donald Trump to be repulsive but I know little to nothing about her wife and have no opinion either way. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/98 "2016-11-23T14:15:00Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > A SPECIAL NEEDS TEN YEAR OLD. Let’s not let that go by. The Orange Thing spawned an imperfect ‘special needs’ offspring. Why, he may not ever be able to go on a canned hunt and shoot an endangered species to parade around, poor damaged thing! I have read some incredibly repulsive things here on the SDMB, but that takes the cake. **Sal,** you are a sick motherfucker. There’s just no other way to describe what you posted. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/99 "2016-11-23T14:19:25Z")
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**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703/100 "2016-11-23T14:35:18Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > I don’t blame her for wanting to live separately from Der Obergropenfuhrer. She’s married to a man who wants to sleep with one of his daughters and who **has another daughter who won’t let him kiss her on the cheek.** Every time I see Mrs. Trump on a stage with her husband she looks like she wishes she were further away. Bolding mine. Hadn’t heard about that. What’s it about? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-and-son-barron-wont-move-immediately-into-white-house/772703.md?page=6)