# Melania Trump is a piece of shit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2018, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555 "2018-06-22T03:24:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555/41 "2018-06-22T13:16:13Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > He’s capable, I’m sure, of threatening her son, or of separating her from her son, and those are credible threats. I don’t think she has any influence on him–he has all the leverage. Makes me wonder if he separated those immigrant families just show her that he has no scruples when it comes to preventing a mother seeing her children. So if Melania leaves, she’ll can say goodbye to Barron also until he’s adult. And in the meantime trump is going to paint her so black that he’ll never wants to see her again. If so it’s a pretty nasty situation for her. ---
**Author:** ![fervour](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@fervour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fervour)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555/42 "2018-06-22T13:18:22Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > That’s like saying a “faggot” is just a guy that likes to have sex with men and that it’s okay to call so-and-so a faggot because he’s had sex with men. “Whore” is a slur. It’s a slur used for centuries to justify rape and violence. > > ETA: And honestly, the way you are using it here sounds like you would be okay with rape or violence against Melania Trump because you do see her as subhuman, as beneath contempt. If you don’t think that, don’t use a word that implies that in a context that suggests you’re sympathetic to the idea. I’m not afraid of “faggot”. That’s what I am. I’m a married faggot who has been with the same human for over 21 years. Why would you think I’d be OK with Melania being raped? I’d send that fucker to the penitentiary for a maximum term----if only to get him out of office. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555/43 "2018-06-22T13:20:59Z")
> [@fervour](#): > > No, words have meanings. You can anesthetize them if you must. Do you want me to spell it out? Melania sold herself to Donald. She continues to do so. She could ghost write a tell-all book. We aren’t talking about poor immigrants here. This is a woman who last I checked is worth $20 million on her own. I already had a crystal-clear opinion of Donald, and a pretty clear opinion of Melania. What’s happening here is that I’m forming an opinion of you. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555/44 "2018-06-22T13:21:55Z")
I don’t think this is one of those relationships you can just simply leave. Good lord, can you imagine the shit storm? ---
**Author:** ![wintertime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c68b51/32.png) [@wintertime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wintertime)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555/45 "2018-06-22T13:23:33Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > Now, she can’t leave. Of course she can … unless I’m totally wrong about the rights of women in the USA. > [@MandaJo](#): > > He’s capable, I’m sure, of threatening her son, or of separating her from her son, and those are credible threats. I have little doubt that Donald would try to threaten her with something, but her kid is also his kid (afaik). Do you mean to say that he would threaten to harm his own kid? IANAL, but taking the kid away should be pretty difficult; and consider how public such a divorce would be if the procedure started tomorrow … No, it’s her choice to stay married to Donald Trump. If she wanted to divorce him, she could do so, anytime. She is an adult, after all. ---
**Author:** ![fervour](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@fervour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fervour)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555/46 "2018-06-22T13:27:03Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I already had a crystal-clear opinion of Donald, and a pretty clear opinion of Melania. What’s happening here is that I’m forming an opinion of you. You can ride your high horse into the night. I’m not the one who wore an I-don’t-care jacket to a kid’s concentration camp. I don’t support putting kids in a concentration camp; do you? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555/47 "2018-06-22T13:31:56Z")
> [@fervour](#): > > You can ride your high horse into the night. I’m not the one who wore an I-don’t-care jacket to a kid’s concentration camp. I don’t support putting kids in a concentration camp; do you? Take a breath, think about what you’re writing, and realize: YOU’RE BEING AN IDIOT. If I think you’re being an asshole for using the word “whore”, THAT DOESN’T MEAN I SUPPORT PUTTING KIDS IN A CONCENTRATION CAMP. If you don’t support putting kids in a concentration camp, THAT DOESN’T MEAN YOU HAVE CARTE BLANCHE TO BE AN ASSHOLE. The deeper you dig, the less people will think of you. THAT WON’T MAKE THEM TRUMP’S ALLIES. On the contrary, by using misogynistic slurs, you’re more of his ally than anyone else in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555/48 "2018-06-22T13:32:26Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > …they lack basic humanity, and no decent person would have any sort of empathy for them. After wearing that jacket, that pretty much describes what some feel about her. If that’s not what she intended, well too fucking bad. ---
**Author:** ![fervour](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@fervour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fervour)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555/49 "2018-06-22T13:35:16Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Take a breath, think about what you’re writing, and realize: YOU’RE BEING AN IDIOT. > > If I think you’re being an asshole for using the word “whore”, THAT DOESN’T MEAN I SUPPORT PUTTING KIDS IN A CONCENTRATION CAMP. > > If you don’t support putting kids in a concentration camp, THAT DOESN’T MEAN YOU HAVE CARTE BLANCHE TO BE AN ASSHOLE. > > The deeper you dig, the less people will think of you. THAT WON’T MAKE THEM TRUMP’S ALLIES. > > On the contrary, by using misogynistic slurs, you’re more of his ally than anyone else in this thread. Well it’s good to know you don’t want to put kids in concentration camps. Do something about it. Have you called your senators and representative? ---
**Author:** ![fervour](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@fervour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fervour)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555/50 "2018-06-22T13:37:40Z")
LHOD, you do realize the executive order doesn’t do anything for the 2000 kids incarcerated? ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555/51 "2018-06-22T13:38:21Z")
**wintertime** , trump’s henchmen have no difficulty to prove that Melania is an illegal immigrant herself ( and that the marriage was illegal in the first place ). So she’ll be deported ( as are her parents ), and she’ll never again sees Barron. Do you have ANY doubts this could happen if she leaves ? ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555/52 "2018-06-22T13:38:33Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I don’t buy “English is not her first language” as an excuse. Her English ability is far better than that of quite a number of people for whom English is purportedly a first language. Maybe she’s simply short-sighted and decided that the message on the coat is what she wants to say to the media. Even if that’s true, it’s still a wrong message. Also, this is not a complex sentence. It is not the kind that English Language Learners would get confused about. I am certain she knows what every single one of those words mean and what they mean in a sentence. She also knows how clothes work. She wore it on purpose. She knew what it would do. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555/53 "2018-06-22T13:49:38Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Basically everyone in Trump’s inner circle is highly dubious about the guy. Melania happens to signal this more publicly than most. As for the jacket, while the message could be targeted at Fake News, I’m guessing it’s her husband that is being ambiguously targeted. > > She’s an irrelevance, working in a job that she didn’t sign up for. > [@MandaJo](#): > > I don’t know what it means, but I suspect it’s not a troll of the media. That’s too weird. And she didn’t wear it at the camps–she wore it getting on the plane and getting off. I think it’s a message to her husband. > [@MandaJo](#): > > I actually have a lot of sympathy for her at this point. It’s right to exert some empathy for the first lady in these public appearances, and it’s generally easy to have more than a bit of sympathy for her, but I’m having some problems with the messaging on this particular occasion. Not to get too deep into the semiotics here, but the thing about sending signals is that the timing, targeting and methodology are necessarily critical to the reception and interpretation of the message. Assuming the intent was indeed a message to her husband, Melania Trump chose to send this message in the midst of a humanitarian visit to migrant children who’ve been forcibly separated from their parents. The overall message of that trip was intended, I have to suppose, to be one of compassion and concern. (And I believe Mrs. Trump feels both of those sincerely and deeply for these children.) But it’s the sort of mission that can’t really be used as a platform for separate commentary; any statement or visible signal -like text on an article of clothing- is going to be seen as at least _subtext_ of the visit. In other words, the choice of venue was an inseparable aspect of the “Fuck you, Donald” message. Kind of steps all over that compassion and concern, in my view. If this _is_ a message to her husband, the most charitable thing one could say about the delivery of the message it is that it was incredibly clumsy and exceedingly graceless, two adjectival phrases more appropriate for the husband here than (typically) for his wife. Less charitably, it’s difficult for me to interpret the staging (if I accept the **deliberate message to husband** postulate) as anything but pathetic and selfish. I’m happier in this case assuming [Hanlon’s Razor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor) applies, and blaming Mrs. Trump’s handlers. Otherwise, my sympathies are reserved for the nonfamilial victims of this POTUS and his policies. ---
**Author:** ![wintertime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c68b51/32.png) [@wintertime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wintertime)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555/54 "2018-06-22T13:54:32Z")
> [@SaneBill](#): > > **wintertime** , > > trump’s henchmen have no difficulty to prove that Melania is an illegal immigrant herself ( and that the marriage was illegal in the first place ). So she’ll be deported ( as are her parents ), and she’ll never again sees Barron. > > Do you have ANY doubts this could happen if she leaves ? Still not a lawyer, so I cannot tell you what the repercussions would be even if you were perfectly right about her legal problems in such a situation. But you have to admit that it’s hyperbole that she would NEVER see her son again. He would not even be allowed to leave the country and visit his mother after attaining full age? I realize no mother would ever choose to be deported and leave her kid alone [sigh], so I agree that the scenario that you created here would be a very strong reason for her to decide to stay in the marriage. But it’s still her choice. She decides that the consequences (whatever they may be) are not worth it. Which is perfectly fine. But she is neither a child nor under disability nor a slave. She is a grown woman who makes her own decisions. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555/55 "2018-06-22T13:59:01Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > I actually have a lot of sympathy for her at this point. Even if she married him entirely for his money, this wasn’t what she signed up for: the worst case scenario is that he’d get bored with her an divorce her. She could also presumably leave if she wanted, or live a separate life. Now, she can’t leave. He needs her around and compliant for political purposes. He’s capable, I’m sure, of threatening her son, or of separating her from her son, and those are credible threats. I don’t think she has any influence on him–he has all the leverage. She’s incredibly isolated, while at the same time, in perpetual view. Does she have anyone she can talk to? Anyone she can trust? She’s utterly trapped and alone. > [@fervour](#): > > I disagree. She has the power. She could bring down his presidency. I can’t imagine there is a judge on the planet who would award custody to Donald Trump, Ever hear of a dude named Gorsuch? ---
**Author:** ![fervour](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@fervour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fervour)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555/56 "2018-06-22T14:03:05Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Ever hear of a dude named Gorsuch? I don’t understand what you are saying. Do you think Gorsuch would have jurisdiction over Melania’s divorce? ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555/57 "2018-06-22T14:06:16Z")
Can we not infantilize Melania? She is a US citizen and she will never be deported. She could leave her scumbag husband whenever she chooses and be awarded joint custody, at worst. She has chosen to stand by Trump, for whatever reasons. She’s not a prisoner and she’s not a victim. She is complicit in this mess. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555/58 "2018-06-22T14:08:58Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > I’m happier in this case assuming [Hanlon’s Razor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor) applies, and blaming Mrs. Trump’s handlers. Otherwise, my sympathies are reserved for the nonfamilial victims of this POTUS and his policies. The simpler assumptions are she wore it on the orders of her husband, or, she chose it herself. As an ex-model, I would be surprised if she left her clothing choices to her staff. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555/59 "2018-06-22T14:10:54Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > She must have liked him at one time. She married and had a kid with him. I think she must have liked his money at one time. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555/60 "2018-06-22T14:12:52Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > The simpler assumptions are she wore it on the orders of her husband, or, she chose it herself. > > As an ex-model, I would be surprised if she left her clothing choices to her staff. Well, I said I was _happier_ assuming incompetence rather than malice or apathy. But I’m getting used to unhappiness… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/melania-trump-is-a-piece-of-shit/816555.md?page=4)