# Men! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2000, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164 "2000-06-22T02:57:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Nacho4Sara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Nacho4Sara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nacho4Sara)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2000, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164/101 "2000-06-24T04:20:59Z")
I thought I might ammend that statement before more people wig out at me. What I mean is, I posted my anger in the Pit. I was angry. Angry, ok? Pissed. Full of rage. If I wanted to debate the sociological ramifications of choosing a mate or what Buddha has to say, I would have went to GD. But I didn’t. I have personal experiance with men my age. I work with them, I live with one, I go to school with way too many. I have formed my own opinion and none of you are changing my mind. Until a man woos me with roses every day and tells me, “Fuck Pamela Lee, you are the woman for me. I only fantasize about YOU every night,” then I am not changing my mind. If I thought it was possible, I might have started a discussion in great debates or MPSIMS. But I was angry and I know that my mind is set on this until someone proves me wrong. So keep trying, I don’t care. I HAVE listened to falcon, swiddles, and many others. All of their posts make sense and helped me re-evaluate my situation. But when someone calls me stupid for wanting a big family or critisizes my **entire outlook on life** because of one post, then fuck you. I don’t care what you think. I don’t know any of you and few people have changed my outlook on anything via a computer. Take that as you want. I really don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Nacho4Sara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Nacho4Sara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nacho4Sara)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2000, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164/102 "2000-06-24T04:27:18Z")
Thanks, techchick. I understand what you are saying. I am trying to find men who care about more than looks and body. Most of my male friends are like that (except for the gay ones) and I need to re-evaluate how their talk and opinions affect my life. I know there must be several men out there who can appreciate me for me. Thanks again for your post. I agree with mostly everything - but for me, personality is numero uno. Did you lose that biker’s number? Maybe you should look him up. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2000, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164/103 "2000-06-24T04:30:37Z")
**HomeSlice**. Come on over here. \ I’m not gonna join in because A) **Lexi** can hold his own without me and B) I’ve had this “all men are pigs because I’m feeling crappy today” conversation IRL too many times to learn anything new from the discussion. **Nacho** , enjoy your youth, because your tendency toward righteousness makes it very likely you’re already as wise as you’re ever going to be. Too bad, because you’re quite sharp in other ways. > [@](#): > > _Maybe it’s the NyQuil I am taking, but I have re-read Lexicon’s posts and they seriously do not make sense to me. I am willing to admit when I am wrong (as I have many times already on the MB - do a search if you actually care, but I have). I don’t see any validity to Lexicon or Quicksilver’s posts. I honestly think they are full of shit._ Yeah, I’ve seen you admit when you’re wrong, which is why I don’t understand your current pigheadedness. Let the NyQuil wear off and go back through the thread in the morning. Pay close attention to the initial responses from **Silo** and **Lexicon**. Then read the increasingly puerile rants you posted in response. Damn, girl; these guys were giving you some pretty good advice and you reacted as if they pissed in your punchbowl. You claim to be more mature than the average 19 year old, well here’s your chance to _show_ some maturity, instead of blasting back at every male poster who disagrees with your generalizations as if we were all **QuickSilver**. And by the way, just _stating_ that you’re making a generalization neither excuses nor validates the generalization. ---
**Author:** ![GreenEyes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f9ae1b/32.png) [@GreenEyes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenEyes)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2000, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164/104 "2000-06-24T04:33:12Z")
\ I’m afraid if you wanted a disussion, you should have taken it to the other board. Over here people will bitch, moan, argue and be generally pissy with you cuz… well… cuz they can 😛 Take it with a grain of salt… Only YOU know what you want, what your like and what your experiences are… 🙂 Start a thread over on the other board if you want an actual discussion. Although… that’s not to say you will actually GET any kind of constructive conversation over there either. In fact, I know someone inparticular who left these boards for that very reason 😉 ---
**Author:** ![HomeSlice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9d8465/32.png) [@HomeSlice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HomeSlice)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2000, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164/105 "2000-06-24T04:44:59Z")
I don’t recall Sara using any words like “all”, but i do remember a “most” in there…oh yeah, you’re a _ **douche bag** _(Look! I can use code too!). You don’t need to base anything you say on facts. I’m so sorry for you and your family. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2000, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164/106 "2000-06-24T05:10:37Z")
> [@](#): > > _I don’t recall Sara using any words like “all”, but i do remember a “most” in there…oh yeah, you’re a douche bag(Look! I can use code too!). You don’t need to base anything you say on facts. I’m so sorry for you and your family._ LOL! Oddly placed sympathy there, **Homeslice** , since you don’t know anything about me, my family or our relationships with each other. Guess _you_ don’t quite get along with facts, either, huh? BTW, here’s the quote where **Sara** used the word “all”: > [@](#): > > _That’s true, but I think there is evidence proving that men my age are all pigs. All of them. Every last one._ You may quibble that she only made the statement about men her own age, but a sweeping bullshit generalization is a sweeping bullshit generalization. The thread is full of 'em, and not just from **Sara**. However, _it’s her OP_. **N4S** , I know you were angry. But a couple of the guys you’re vilifying are saying pretty much the same things **Falcon** , **SwimmingRiddles** and **TVeblen** are telling you. If you’d rather not hear it from a man, maybe you should’ve made that clear. It kinda looked like an invitation for commentary, though, and I suspect you were hoping for some male insight. Well, you got it. ---
**Author:** ![HomeSlice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/9d8465/32.png) [@HomeSlice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HomeSlice)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2000, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164/107 "2000-06-24T05:16:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*\* > > LOL! Oddly placed sympathy there, **Homeslice** , since you don’t know anything about me, my family or our relationships with each other. Guess _you_ don’t quite get along with facts, either, huh? > > \*\* How silly of me to assume that you have a family. I used to belive that everyone has/had a mother and father, and then usually some grandparents. I am soooooo naive. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways. I envy you so. Enough sarcasm for you? ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2000, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164/108 "2000-06-24T05:32:06Z")
Was any of that supposed to make sense, **Slice**? Run along now. ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2000, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164/109 "2000-06-24T18:51:41Z")
Nacho: I have nothing at all against you. I do not dislike you. I am not angry at you in any way. I do think your idealization of a man who proclaims intimate feelings for you while screwing a woman he apparently shares no intimacy with indicates that you are not as precociously mature as you claim. That is not a bad thing. 19 year olds are **supposed** to be in the early stages of life’s ongoing lessons in wisdom and humility. So are 35 year olds, for that matter. We are just supposed to be taking different classes by now. That said – defending your angry generalizations because this is the PIT while simultaneously haranguing people who attack you, in the PIT, for those generalizations is bush league. We all know the rules of this sandbox when we step inside. If you wish to take advantage of the freedom to express your position, then don’t hide behind the sign when others express theirs. TechChick: You rock. Hard. If I were not gloriously attached to a woman who also rocks hard I would begin cyberstalking you immediately. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2000, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164/110 "2000-06-24T20:16:12Z")
> [@](#): > > If I were not gloriously attached to a woman who also rocks hard I would begin cyberstalking you immediately. Seconded. And without a winky. ---
**Author:** ![GreenEyes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f9ae1b/32.png) [@GreenEyes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenEyes)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2000, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164/111 "2000-06-24T20:55:07Z")
In looking around on the boards I found something very interesting… The very same woman who was complaining that she wanted to be taken seriously for something more than just her looks… left THIS over on another thread… “Who was that cute lumberjack boy on the SD Men page? He’s up there too.” Now Sara…Looks to me like you were putting someone on your “boinking” list just cuz of their looks…😉 I also noticed that the people you listed over there on your list were people who have quite a following as being ladies men, players… Could this be your problem? Trust me… never stand in line. The ladies around here seem to flock to the same men cuz… well… cuz all the other women are flocking to them. What you need is someone who gives you 100 percent of his attention… not 1% cuz he is spreading it around to 99 other people… ---
**Author:** ![Nacho4Sara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Nacho4Sara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nacho4Sara)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2000, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164/112 "2000-06-25T05:53:31Z")
> [@](#): > > Nacho, enjoy your youth, because your tendency toward righteousness makes it very likely you’re already as wise as you’re ever going to be. Too bad, because you’re quite sharp in other ways. Thanks for that backhanded compliment. It’s funny, cause I was thinking about this as I fell asleep last night, and I had such a reality check. Not all men my age are pigs; I have met some nice ones. But _in my experiance_ most of them are. Are you in my shoes? DO you know? Are you even 19? So maybe my experiance is different from yours but it doesn’t make it wrong. Ehh, this is a message board. That’s it people. I am not degrading any of you in any way by saying that, but it matters very little to me other than something fun to do. And I like to argue. I’m going to be a lawyer. This is practice and it makes me laugh to read about people and the silly things they do with gerbils and while taking a shower. But the fact that I feel as though I have to defend **who I am as a human being** and that some of you expect me to re-evaluate my life because you, in all your cyber-glory, think I should. You, whom I will never meet or never want to meet. Reality check: I don’t care. I know who I am; you do not. I have people I care about around me and better things to do then get stressed over a message board - I seriously think some of you do not. I’m not angry, just saddened by the fact that some of you have nothing better to do than degrade someone you have not and will never meet because you think you have some unique experiance due to age or education that everyone else is lacking. I am sick of feeling as though, in every fucking post I write, I have to live up to some standard I don’t understand or really care about. That every thing I write is subject to piss someone off or cause an attack. I am sick of “Why I hate so-and-so” posts in the Pit, knowing that the person posting would never have the balls to say that shit to anyone’s face. I read this board for months before I joined. I expected people to be open to new opinions, friendly, funny. Some of you were. Others are not worth my time. It’s my fault for expecting people to be better on this MB than they are in real life. If I cared, I would stick around and make an effort to defend who I am to people who I don’t really care about. So, goodbye. It’s been fun. Hey, you win I guess. This newbie has been toasted. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2000, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164/113 "2000-06-25T06:00:16Z")
Sarah, if you would stop fighting with these people the thread would die quietly and people would stop insulting you. Sheesh! ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2000, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164/114 "2000-06-25T06:26:48Z")
\<_sigh_\> Why is it that when you have an epiphany it takes the form of “Well I was wrong about what I said, but everyone who pointed out how wrong I was is wrong too, ‘cause I’m so fuckin’ special.” If you want to leave, go on. But, as **Satan** pointed out in another thread, this _isn’t_ just a message board, which you know or you wouldn’t be taking what we say to heart so much (even though you protest it really doesn’t matter to you). Quit whining. You said some stupid things, people called you on it, you can either learn from it and keep playing or pick your toys up and go home. _It aint about who you are; it’s about what you said._ kee-_rist_… ---
**Author:** ![TroubleAgain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e480ec/32.png) [@TroubleAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroubleAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2000, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164/115 "2000-06-25T09:18:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*\* > > No, my hair is not blonde, my ass can only fit into a size 10 pair of jeans these days, and my boobs, while big, are real, which seems to be a disqualifying agent for the aforementioned men. > … > > See, this guy at work…he is wonderful. We are friends, have everything in common and there is definitely an element of sexual attraction. But he falls for this blonde bitch who breaks his heart **every day** because she’s sexy. > > Some day my prince will come… ☹ > \*\* Gee, Sara, we could be twins! Lemme just say yes, most men are (do I have to cuss because this is the pit? Okay, then.) fucking jerks who fall for gorgeous idiots or total bitches–based solely on looks, but then a lot of them outgrow it. I ain’t Claudia Schiffer either, but my hubby thinks I’m gorgeous, so don’t give up hope too early. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2000, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164/116 "2000-06-26T06:17:14Z")
Well as a guy I feel somewhat qualified to respond to the topic. For most guys of that age everything is very seperate. Sex has nothing to do with love, or friendship. Sex is about fucking, and thats all. A guy will usually screw the best looking thing he can find. If he has to be in a relationship to do it then fine, but has no problem having a fuck buddy for booty calls, a respectable girlfriend for dating and showing to friends, and various female friends for whatever conversations he likes to talk to them about. So the guys sex part of his mind is on the barbie doll, and the friend part of his mind is on you, And it would be very unusual if he had a serious relationship part of his mind yet. ---
**Author:** ![Diane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Diane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diane)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2000, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164/117 "2000-06-26T15:18:09Z")
> [@](#): > > Now listen up you newbie fuck, Speaking of newbie fucks, who the hell is QuickSilver? > [@](#): > > 10 foot deep/2 foot wide OMG, Silo is talking about his dick again. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2000, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164/118 "2000-06-26T16:55:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*\* > I was born on this high horse and I don’t plan on climbing off it anytime soon. > \*\* I know you’re gone for a while, but I think I figured out why your mother had to have a C-section… ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2000, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164/119 "2000-06-26T17:22:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Speaking of newbie fucks, who the hell is QuickSilver? Who do I have to be? 🆒 Who are you? :eek: Who are any of us really?.. except people with far too much time on our hands. 😉 (Woe to he/she who takes any of this stuff seriously. :rolleyes:) ---
**Author:** ![ChrisCTP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e36b37/32.png) [@ChrisCTP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChrisCTP)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2000, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164/120 "2000-06-26T17:37:15Z")
And you do, too, elsewise you wouldn’t have been one of the main contributors to a three-page catfight. Someone I know used to have the .sig, “You make the best decision you can based on what you know at the time.” This is what Sara knows at the time, schmuck. Instead of giving her shit, you could try to be constructive. Your wife must be a very patient woman. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/men/23164.md?page=7)