# Men's Rights Movement may have a big future. **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 7, 2013, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049 "2013-04-07T01:15:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/221 "2013-04-10T20:34:16Z")
We don’t think you are a criminal. But we think you have a lot to learn. ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/222 "2013-04-10T20:36:16Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > We don’t think you are a criminal. Thanks – fortunately I am not in Canada. ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/223 "2013-04-10T20:38:08Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > But we think you have a lot to learn. Many liberals believe that those expressing wrong ideas should be reformed. Most conservatives believe in free market of ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/224 "2013-04-10T20:39:53Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > Many liberals believe that those expressing wrong ideas should be reformed. Most conservatives believe in free market of ideas. Where do you get this crap? ---
**Author:** ![Rollo\_Tomasi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/58956e/32.png) [@Rollo\_Tomasi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rollo_Tomasi)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/225 "2013-04-10T20:43:06Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > But when I express unpopular libertarian opinions on a conservative forum, at least I am treated civilly. Why don’t you go to one of those forums and express your wholehearted support for gay marriage, abortion rights, and drug legalization, and then let us know how you were treated? ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/226 "2013-04-10T20:45:03Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > I know I am not a genius. > > But when I express unpopular libertarian opinions on a conservative forum, at least I am treated civilly. > > Many liberals believe that expressing opinions unpopular with them is a moral crime. And in many countries there are strict speech laws. You advanced a set of ideas you’ve admittedly no firsthand experience with as a novel idea that no one on this board had encountered and apparently expected to acquire a rapidly expanding fanbase of angry, self-righteous men with victim complexes and probably hoped for a measure of apologetic, amenable women. What do you want, an apology that you chose a hackneyed “movement” with dubious goals? An apology from the women who benefitted from courts which ruled in their favor? An apology from men who are admittedly quite pleased with their station and lot in life? What exactly, do you hope to gain from both these victim threads? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/227 "2013-04-10T20:46:49Z")
> [@Rollo\_Tomasi](#): > > Why don’t you go to one of those forums and express your wholehearted support for gay marriage, abortion rights, and drug legalization, and then let us know how you were treated? Well, they _were_ pretty open-minded about the oppression of men by women, apparently. How more open-minded can you get? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/228 "2013-04-10T20:49:42Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > What do you want, an apology that you chose a hackneyed “movement” with dubious goals? Never expected that – just expected a little more discussion on issues and a little less personal attacks. ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/229 "2013-04-10T20:51:49Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Well, they _were_ pretty open-minded about the oppression of men by women, apparently. They disagree with many issues but they do not see the movement as a threat. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/230 "2013-04-10T21:01:06Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > They disagree with many issues but they do not see the movement as a threat. “Conservative groups not threatened by Men’s Rights Movement! In other news, water is wet!” ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/231 "2013-04-10T21:03:07Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > Many liberals believe that expressing opinions unpopular with them is a moral crime. And in many countries there are strict speech laws. Well, Art is Art, isn’t it? Still, on the other hand, water is water. And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now you tell me what you know. –Groucho Marx ---
**Author:** ![panaccione](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@panaccione](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panaccione)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/232 "2013-04-10T21:24:17Z")
I agree with **Little Nemo** back in post 72. It’s a universal thing and we should focus on the biggest and most severe issues first before tackling the minor ones. As a man, if I offer my support to their cause, which is objectively more important, I doubt they would forget it. As it is well known, people who have suffered and struggled know what it is like for others. I also agree with others who mention that it has more to do with class or value than gender. There is a lot to be said for being good-looking. Especially when you consider that cash rules everything and the U.S. is by and large a consumerist nation. ---
**Author:** ![panaccione](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@panaccione](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panaccione)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/233 "2013-04-10T21:36:12Z")
Everyone can look at this way. **CCitizen** did a good job in showing me why it’s **not** a good idea to be associated with MRM. So there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/234 "2013-04-10T21:46:22Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > They disagree with many issues but they do not see the movement as a threat. And nobody here sees your movement as a threat. Just misguided, ill-informed, and rooted in fear of women. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/235 "2013-04-10T21:57:52Z")
OP, do you recognize the negative responses to your topic as dissent? Instead of taking this personally, why not investigate the criticism of the MRM? ---
**Author:** ![CCitizen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4af34b/32.png) [@CCitizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CCitizen)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/236 "2013-04-10T22:03:24Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > OP, do you recognize the negative responses to your topic as dissent? Instead of taking this personally, why not investigate the criticism of the MRM? I guess I am not welcome at a liberal forum – should have been banned outright. My belief system and what I write elsewhaere remains my choice. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/237 "2013-04-10T22:06:28Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > I guess I am not welcome at a liberal forum – should have been banned outright. I grew up Catholic, so this sort of martyr complex only works on me when my mom is saying it. To try again, what draws you to the Men’s Movement? ---
**Author:** ![panaccione](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@panaccione](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panaccione)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/238 "2013-04-10T22:09:34Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > I guess I am not welcome at a liberal forum – should have been banned outright. > > My belief system and what I write elsewhaere remains my choice. Or you could try actually answering the question. I mean you’re not scared of a bunch of Libruls are you? ---
**Author:** ![Trick\_Rider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Trick\_Rider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trick_Rider)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/239 "2013-04-10T22:18:28Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > Thanks – fortunately I am not in Canada. Now I’m curious. What did you mean by this? ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2013, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/240 "2013-04-10T22:20:58Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > I guess I am not welcome at a liberal forum – should have been banned outright. > > My belief system and what I write elsewhaere remains my choice. This whole persecution complex you have at least helps explain your MRA involvement. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049.md?page=13)