# Men's Rights Movement may have a big future. **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 7, 2013, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049 "2013-04-07T01:15:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/341 "2013-04-21T18:23:16Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > You never seem to run out. > > Yes, he’s an idiot, after all he’s a feminist. But he did not sue anyone over the hardness of their chairs or the effect that might have on his balls. You are simply too lazy to look up what you’re claiming and too arrogant to admit when you make a mistake. I have a news citation, you have nothing. How am I lazy when I provide a cite? I guess it’s hard to defend a hate movement built on distortions and falsehoods. Everything you post either doesn’t say what you claim, or can’t be cited, or isn’t evidence of institutional discrimination against men. Bleh, I’m done. I need a shower after talking to you. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/342 "2013-04-21T21:14:33Z")
Miss Elizabeth, I have the same feeling of needing to shower after reading that poster. I just want to thank you for your thoughtful writing and the time/effort you have put in on this issue. thank you!! ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/343 "2013-04-21T21:36:16Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > Ahh yes the lowest common denominator that requires the least amount of intellectual effort when it comes to winning an arguement on the SD by going after grammar. Here’s a cookie. Now get on yer bike and chug along. Your “Waaah, I’m an oppressed white male!” posts have already been argued against by better posters than I in every one of these threads that come up, so yeah, I’m content to focus on your inability to use language correctly. And it’s “argument”, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/344 "2013-04-21T22:16:04Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > “Also, that men who are sexually satisfied are less likely to be biassed in favour of women” > > “These results suggest that for men, pro-female bias is moderated by sexual gratification,” > > Clearly diametrically opposed positions. But please, feel free to offer some rationale for your bizarre and outlandish statement. Your statement completely misrepresents the passage quoted. The results as outlined in the passsage do not appear to support any claim about men who are “sexually satisfied.” Parameters measured included how fun (ie. “gratifying”) participants felt sex generally was as well as how much total previous sexual experience the participants had. It is not possible to derive from this data information about how “sexually satisfied” each participant was. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/345 "2013-04-22T02:31:00Z")
> [@colander](#): > > It’s likely a consequence of how Google’s personalized search algorithms work. It’s rigged in favor of steering you towards the same kinds of websites that you’ve clicked on in the past. When **blindboyard** searches for “feminism”, his top result is going to be a link to a gentleman’s website hosting the SCUM manifesto. For further information on this phenomenon, Duck Duck Go has an [illlustrated essay](http://dontbubble.us/) about the practice. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/346 "2013-04-22T02:38:47Z")
> [@ladyfoxfyre](#): > > You are a liar. Google does not autocorrect “paternity leave” to “maternity leave”. > > This is bullshit as well. The article is discussing a UK proposal which allows women to transfer their existing maternity leave to their husbands. None of this “men should only have leave if the mothers voluntarily give up some of theirs”. It’s discussing an actual proposal in the UK parliament not saying that is the only way men should have leave. > > I’m starting to see the problem here. You’re a goddamned liar about everything you bring up, and that’s why nobody is interesting in debating you. You can barely be arsed to cite anything, and when people DO bring you citations you can’t even READ them correctly enough to parse what they say. Good luck with your MRA propaganda wall-o’-text diatribes buddy. You’re outrightly calling another poster a liar. Wasn’t there some rule about that? I just googled paternity leave feminist as suggested, to see for myself. I got a mixture of hits showing various combinations of the words “parental leave”, “paternity leave”, and “maternity leave”. To be reported RSN. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/347 "2013-04-22T02:43:31Z")
That isn’t autocorrect. He is a liar. And report away. ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/348 "2013-04-22T06:21:28Z")
> [@ladyfoxfyre](#): > > That isn’t autocorrect. He is a liar. And report away. Well, ark at little miss semantics. Does a search for “paternity leave feminist” bring up numerous “maternity leave” hits? Yes. Does replacing paternity with maternity also bring up numerous “paternity leave” hits? No. These are facts, and calling me a liar won’t change them. ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/349 "2013-04-22T06:24:34Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > I have a news citation, you have nothing. How am I lazy when I provide a cite? You provided a cite that he doesn’t like hard chairs. Your claim was that he, or rather no anonymous MRA, had sued a school on the basis of the hardness of its chairs and the discomfort caused thereby. Your “cite” does not support this position. You were wrong. You remain wrong. Refusing to concede your wrongness only makes your furtherly wrong. > [@](#): > > I guess it’s hard to defend a hate movement built on distortions and falsehoods. Everything you post either doesn’t say what you claim, or can’t be cited, or isn’t evidence of institutional discrimination against men. Bleh, I’m done. I need a shower after talking to you. I suppose that’s easy to claim when your entire worldview as a feminist is that there is no institutional discrimination against men. I dare say if you could prove systemic bias against men in education, employment and the courts you would feel it was gendered. But obviously you can’t, because women benefit from gender biases. ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/350 "2013-04-22T06:27:45Z")
> [@colander](#): > > Your statement completely misrepresents the passage quoted. The results as outlined in the passsage do not appear to support any claim about men who are “sexually satisfied.” Parameters measured included how fun (ie. “gratifying”) participants felt sex generally was as well as how much total previous sexual experience the participants had. It is not possible to derive from this data information about how “sexually satisfied” each participant was. Well, at least you’ve moved from “it means the opposite of what you think it means” to “it’s not possible” to derive the information I claimed. You’re still wrong, though. Not that it matters, I only quoted that bit due the feminist habit of claiming their opponents must be sexually frustrated, when the data in that study shows that the sexually frustrated are more likely to be biassed in favour of women. Any comment on the rest of the article, that’s not about sexual activity? ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/351 "2013-04-25T00:50:10Z")
> [@ladyfoxfyre](#): > > You are a liar. Google does not autocorrect “paternity leave” to “maternity leave”. > > This is bullshit as well. The article is discussing a UK proposal which allows women to transfer their existing maternity leave to their husbands. None of this “men should only have leave if the mothers voluntarily give up some of theirs”. It’s discussing an actual proposal in the UK parliament not saying that is the only way men should have leave. > > I’m starting to see the problem here. You’re a goddamned liar about everything you bring up, and that’s why nobody is interesting in debating you. You can barely be arsed to cite anything, and when people DO bring you citations you can’t even READ them correctly enough to parse what they say. Good luck with your MRA propaganda wall-o’-text diatribes buddy. Just a note (in general) so everyone is clear, calling anyone a “liar” outside the Pit is seen as insulting/calling names and will be modded/noted as such from here on. Please don’t call anyone that from here on if outside of that forum. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/352 "2013-04-25T03:01:14Z")
I’m assuming accusations of prevarication will be handled similarly? Whoops, sorry, wrong forum. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/353 "2013-04-25T03:37:14Z")
> [@CCitizen](#): > > I believe that in the Social Network Age, Men’s Rights Movement has a potential to attract millions of followers. First of all, there are several ways in which men are discriminated, and thus need advocacy: > > – Men are discriminated in divorce cases. > > – Even though at the very least 20% of domestic violence victims are men, there is [severe discrimination](http://wordpress.clarku.edu/dhines/files/2012/01/Douglas-Hines-2011-helpseeking-experiences-of-male-victims.pdf) against them. And that effects at least hundreds of thousands of men. > > – Given that many or most sex crime convictions are based on the accuser’s word alone, many of USA’s 970,000 sex offenders may be innocent. Someone on another board regularly told the story about when he stopped by the police station to confirm that his child’s car seat was properly installed, and he got into a conversation about sex offenders. The officer said that most of them are young men who had consensual sex with high school girls they thought were of legal age because they met in a bar. The girls obviously had fake IDs, and most of them didn’t even want charges filed because not only were they not raped, they admitted that they were as likely as the man to have initiated it in the first place. The reason he was interested was because he had a relative who had gone out drinking, and when the bar closed, he knew he was too drunk to drive home and didn’t have money for a cab, so he walked the mile or so home. Halfway there, he had to relieve himself, so he stood behind a hedge and did exactly that. A police car happened to drive by, and “because he had his wiener out within 1,000 feet of an elementary school”, he’s now considered a sex offender. :rolleyes: If he was doing this at 3pm on a school day, yes, he would be, but not at 3am on a weekend night! As for men being discriminated against in divorce cases, please explain how. Sorry, when I was growing up, I saw way too many women and children left penniless while he drove a sports car and had a stable of teenage girlfriends that he took on fancy vacations rather than pay child support or see the kids. A huge percentage of divorces are the result of fathers claiming to want children, and then refusing to care for them after they’re here. :mad: As for domestic violence, you do have a point, and it’s also a huge problem in the gay community. A while back, there was a fatal case of DV in my city involving a lesbian couple. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/354 "2013-04-25T03:41:41Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Alimony? Or child support? Alimony is taxable income. Child support isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/355 "2013-04-25T03:59:02Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > the men who take no interest in the kids at all until the day they discover that they’ll have to pay child support if they don’t share custody and suddenly they are being screwed if they don’t get custody. BINGO! I’m glad someone else has had my experience WRT this. I do not believe in 50/50 physical custody because every case I’ve ever seen of it personally was a family dynamic like this, with one exception. In that case, it looked like the divorce was almost entirely his fault, but her behavior post-divorce indicated otherwise, and the kids all ended up living primarily with him, mainly because of her parade of scummy boyfriends. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/356 "2013-04-25T05:05:57Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Someone on another board regularly told the story about when he stopped by the police station to confirm that his child’s car seat was properly installed, and he got into a conversation about sex offenders. The officer said that most of them are young men who had consensual sex with high school girls they thought were of legal age because they met in a bar. The girls obviously had fake IDs, and most of them didn’t even want charges filed because not only were they not raped, they admitted that they were as likely as the man to have initiated it in the first place. You know, far be it from me to question the absolute veracity of things you read from someone else wrote on a message board that he says he heard from a cop, but I’m pretty confident that the statistic you wrote above is not correct at all. > [@](#): > > The reason he was interested was because he had a relative who had gone out drinking, and when the bar closed, he knew he was too drunk to drive home and didn’t have money for a cab, so he walked the mile or so home. Halfway there, he had to relieve himself, so he stood behind a hedge and did exactly that. A police car happened to drive by, and “because he had his wiener out within 1,000 feet of an elementary school”, he’s now considered a sex offender. :rolleyes: If he was doing this at 3pm on a school day, yes, he would be, but not at 3am on a weekend night! Again, I’m sorry to tell you this but that definitely did not actually happen. > [@](#): > > As for men being discriminated against in divorce cases, please explain how. Sorry, when I was growing up, I saw way too many women and children left penniless while he drove a sports car and had a stable of teenage girlfriends that he took on fancy vacations rather than pay child support or see the kids. A huge percentage of divorces are the result of fathers claiming to want children, and then refusing to care for them after they’re here. :mad: Yeah, I don’t think the first thing you said is at all typical of how child support cases usually end up playing out. How are you even visioning that being able to legally happen? > [@](#): > > As for domestic violence, you do have a point, and it’s also a huge problem in the gay community. A while back, there was a fatal case of DV in my city involving a lesbian couple. ☹ A case? Sounds huge, all right! I’d better replace my defensive nerf bat with a wiffle bat (just in case). ---
**Author:** ![Ibanez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a4c791/32.png) [@Ibanez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibanez)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/357 "2013-04-25T12:00:04Z")
[Criminal charges](http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-brian-banks-20130412,0,3492944.story) yet to be laid against Brian Banks false rape accuser. He spent five years in jail for it. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/358 "2013-04-25T16:50:57Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > [Criminal charges](http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-brian-banks-20130412,0,3492944.story) yet to be laid against Brian Banks false rape accuser. He spent five years in jail for it. That really sucks. I hope he gets justice somehow. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/359 "2013-04-25T17:16:38Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > That really sucks. I hope he gets justice somehow. Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049/360 "2013-04-25T17:54:41Z")
Some people on another board claimed that the Brian Banks story on “60 Minutes” was timed to drum up sympathy for the boys in the Steubenville rape case. I got pilloried for disagreeing! Even when I pointed out to one of the most vocal people that being incarcerated for a crime you did not commit ranks up there with the death of a child on the list of “Things Nobody Deserves To Experience”, they still didn’t back down. :rolleyes: And in this case, it appears that no rape even happened at all! :mad: Just because a woman makes an accusation against a man does not automatically mean that it is true. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mens-rights-movement-may-have-a-big-future/655049.md?page=19)