# Mental health hold on Trump? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 27, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461 "2019-12-27T18:29:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2019, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461/121 "2019-12-29T21:28:15Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > Again, this is your term, why do you keep asking me to explain it? > > I am not commenting on the 25th amendment, nor what should or ought to be the standards applied to the POTUS. > > With regards to an involuntary mental health hold, such as referenced in that article as something a family member or co-worker can initiate, a valid example would be a secret service agent reporting that Trump demanded his weapon in order to prove he could shoot someone on 5th avenue with impunity. I was using common English. And you didn’t even ask me what I meant about it. You made a factual assertion about it. If you do that I may ask you to define the terms as you understand them, when you make such an assertion. It’s not necessary now. Dead issue. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461/122 "2019-12-29T22:52:50Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Yes, but there should be a more discriminating bar when it comes to the guy who literally holds nuclear launch codes. > > Howard Hughes wasn’t hurting anyone; POTUS could kill a hundred million people in a half an hour. That’s a distinction that seems lost on you. There is a more discriminating bar: the 25th Amendment. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2019, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461/123 "2019-12-29T23:00:24Z")
[**Piper** tags **Ultra Vires**]. Your turn citing the 25th! I’m tuckered out! ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461/124 "2019-12-30T04:13:56Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > I was using common English. Common English has no place in legal discussions. Whip out the Latin. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461/125 "2019-12-30T17:03:05Z")
I have to wonder if the response to a white man challenging the soveriegnty of a President Hillary would be similar to this? Even liberals would be piling on and jumping up and down with excitement. What do you think? I’d say it’s a one way street. A woman of color doing it to a rich old white guy, it just crosses party lines unconsciously. It’s just not right. And we are not going to take it. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461/126 "2019-12-30T17:12:05Z")
It amazes me how small we think. The potus is mad, and he is bringing his party along with him to psychosis. Removing him, or having pedantic conversations about what it takes to do so is the most petty insignificant part of it… This could be the end of the rebupkis party. They are lying madly in public, on film. I mean it’s prime time for that. Removing trump would be like popping a zit compared to what could do. We need to make it so the right wing has no way to coallesce around a fascist again. It means not trying to separate toirniop from his enablers, and arguing about the details of “removal law”, but actually tying them together with weights so they can’t ever rise or be untied again. ---
**Author:** ![sps49sd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@sps49sd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sps49sd)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461/127 "2019-12-30T18:46:26Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Where are the board’s conservatives? The one time they can legitimately rag us about Trump Derangement Syndrome and they’re blowing it! Oh well, I suppose that always being in the wrong is what makes them conservatives. > > Have fun. I’m checking out. Somebody let me know if they show up and get in some good zingers. I’m sure the thread, despite already going in circles, is good for another three days at least. What conservative can either parse what drad\_dog is saying or come up with any zinger better than the self inflicted ones? Nobody is having much luck overcoming the disconnect with reality here, even with repetition. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461/128 "2019-12-30T19:03:36Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > It amazes me how small we think. The potus is mad, and he is bringing his party along with him to psychosis. Removing him, or having pedantic conversations about what it takes to do so is the most petty insignificant part of it… > > This could be the end of the rebupkis party. They are lying madly in public, on film. I mean it’s prime time for that. Removing trump would be like popping a zit compared to what could do. We need to make it so the right wing has no way to coallesce around a fascist again. > > It means not trying to separate toirniop from his enablers, and arguing about the details of “removal law”, but actually tying them together with weights so they can’t ever rise or be untied again. Sadly, I have to agree that the actions of the rabid asshole Republicans have ruined it for those of us who are old school [fiscally conservative, socially liberal] Republicans. I wish that there were some way that us nonelected official citizen folks could force something like a vote of no confidence and make Trump get some no shit real intervention. I mean, I would _love_ to see him sitting in something like a classic court room scene, judge and jury, a witness chair, officials and being sworn in and a screen where they show every single lie individually [with perhaps a count of how many times it was repeated by him] in a short video or audio clip, or tweet screen capture and he has to admit that yes he lied … for however many lies he told to date in office … because I know he would try and claim that each time he was telling the truth. I would love to see a panel of qualified doctors sit there and tag team interview him and come to a proper diagnosis that he didn’t pay them to say he was sane. I would actually love for him to actually go off into a violent frothing rampage on national television that couldn’t be covered up. I would love for him to have a violent frothing fit in some meeting of the UN or something - stroking out would be phenomenal, but I do stop short of wishing him dead - permanently hospitalized in a loony bin or permanently in a prison would be fantastic. And this is coming from a life long _Republican_. _sigh_ ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461/129 "2019-12-30T20:52:57Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > I have to wonder if the response to a white man challenging the soveriegnty of a President Hillary would be similar to this? Even liberals would be piling on and jumping up and down with excitement. > > What do you think? I’d say it’s a one way street. > > A woman of color doing it to a rich old white guy, it just crosses party lines unconsciously. It’s just not right. And we are not going to take it. You got me. Sure, if this psychiatrist was a white guy, I would be all for suspending the constitution and allowing a president to be removed by this ridiculous procedure. Any white guy will do. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461/130 "2019-12-30T21:34:11Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > You got me. Sure, if this psychiatrist was a white guy, I would be all for suspending the constitution and allowing a president to be removed by this ridiculous procedure. Any white guy will do. Touche my friend, touche. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461/131 "2019-12-30T21:35:39Z")
> [@sps49sd](#): > > What conservative can either parse what drad\_dog is saying or come up with any zinger better than the self inflicted ones? Nobody is having much luck overcoming the disconnect with reality here, even with repetition. Cite a denial of reality, not by a conservative, here. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461/132 "2019-12-30T22:02:56Z")
> [@sps49sd](#): > > What conservative can either parse what drad\_dog is saying or come up with any zinger better than the self inflicted ones? Nobody is having much luck overcoming the disconnect with reality here, even with repetition. The conservatives here have absolutely no response to what it means for their party that trump is so unfit mentally. Who can blame them? Their party got taken over by a sick predator and they don’t have the personality, conscience or self awareness to resist. The conservative movement is hollowed out intellectually. They are an ethical vacuum, and proud to bring pain and chaos to the nation. They aren’t selling anything that anyone wants except hate, tu quoque and antidemocracy. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461/133 "2019-12-31T01:26:34Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > Sadly, I have to agree that the actions of the rabid asshole Republicans have ruined it for those of us who are old school [fiscally conservative, socially liberal] Republicans. > > I wish that there were some way that us nonelected official citizen folks could force something like a vote of no confidence and make Trump get some no shit real intervention. > > I mean, I would _love_ to see him sitting in something like a classic court room scene, judge and jury, a witness chair, officials and being sworn in and a screen where they show every single lie individually [with perhaps a count of how many times it was repeated by him] in a short video or audio clip, or tweet screen capture and he has to admit that yes he lied … for however many lies he told to date in office … because I know he would try and claim that each time he was telling the truth. I would love to see a panel of qualified doctors sit there and tag team interview him and come to a proper diagnosis that he didn’t pay them to say he was sane. I would actually love for him to actually go off into a violent frothing rampage on national television that couldn’t be covered up. I would love for him to have a violent frothing fit in some meeting of the UN or something - stroking out would be phenomenal, but I do stop short of wishing him dead - permanently hospitalized in a loony bin or permanently in a prison would be fantastic. > > And this is coming from a life long _Republican_. _sigh_ Thanks for being open. What do you think is going to happen with the party over the 5 or 10 year term? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461/134 "2020-01-04T20:11:55Z")
Bandy Lee demands 72-hour mental hold of Trump after Iran attack: [Yale psychiatrist urges Pelosi: Request 72-hour mental health hold on Trump after Iran attack](https://www.salon.com/2020/01/04/yale-psychiatrist-urges-pelosi-request-72-hour-mental-health-hold-on-trump-after-iran-attack/), Igor Derysh, _Salon_, Jan. 4, 2020. Article includes excerpts from an interview with Lee. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461/135 "2020-01-04T20:23:42Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > Sadly, I have to agree that the actions of the rabid asshole Republicans have ruined it for those of us who are old school [fiscally conservative, socially liberal Republicans] Face it. They threw us out forty years ago. (signed) An Anderson Republican ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461/136 "2020-01-04T22:02:29Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Bandy Lee demands 72-hour mental hold of Trump after Iran attack: > > [Yale psychiatrist urges Pelosi: Request 72-hour mental health hold on Trump after Iran attack](https://www.salon.com/2020/01/04/yale-psychiatrist-urges-pelosi-request-72-hour-mental-health-hold-on-trump-after-iran-attack/), Igor Derysh, _Salon_, Jan. 4, 2020. > > Article includes excerpts from an interview with Lee. Very dramatic. But it ain’t the law. ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461/137 "2020-01-04T22:03:08Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Face it. They threw us out forty years ago. > > (signed) > > An Anderson Republican Ah, John Anderson. The first presidential candidate to say the word Bullshit in a campaign ad. Alas, the GOP then chose the bullshit standard. And here we are. Conservative principles: Non-involvement in foreign affairs. Fiscal responsibility. Fair taxation. Wildlands conservation. Preserve what works. Tolerance. Modern GOP principles: White supremacy. Aiding foreign enemies. Suppression of dissidents. Fiscal insanity. Appeals to hate and fear. Cultist worship. Conservatives have no place in the modern GOP. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2020, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461/138 "2020-01-06T05:49:43Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Bandy Lee demands 72-hour mental hold of Trump after Iran attack: > > [Yale psychiatrist urges Pelosi: Request 72-hour mental health hold on Trump after Iran attack](https://www.salon.com/2020/01/04/yale-psychiatrist-urges-pelosi-request-72-hour-mental-health-hold-on-trump-after-iran-attack/), Igor Derysh, _Salon_, Jan. 4, 2020. > > Article includes excerpts from an interview with Lee. > [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Very dramatic. But it ain’t the law. Even more drama! Bandy Lee says: I told you so! [Trump’s ‘narcissistic rage’ led him to assassinate Suleimani — now he could be taking the country to war: Yale psychiatrist](https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/trumps-narcissistic-rage-led-him-to-assassinate-suleimani-now-he-could-be-taking-the-country-to-war-yale-psychiatrist/) > [@Bandy X. Lee](#): > > “You nailed him!” is the typical response I received on Twitter, the forum I have been using to reach out to the public, after the assassination of Iran’s top general, Qassim Suleimani. My audience was referring to the concerns I had regarding Donald Trump leading up to the act of aggression, which is precisely the psychological danger I warned against, along with more than 800 other mental health professionals who joined me in petitioning Congress to consult with us about this danger. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2020, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461/139 "2020-01-06T12:13:51Z")
Cults don’t normally get rid of their leader . He’s going to stay unless he dies or is voted out in Nov. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mental-health-hold-on-trump/845461.md?page=6)