The only available cite for the quote is this one-lekatt on this same message board back in 2007, and he didn’t provide a cite back then, either.
I saw that, as well as two related cites, one from lekatt and one from aleroy, who is also lekatt, iirc.
One of the quotes is actually expanded to include the “sometimes a cigar is just a cigar” bit, which is apocryphal and not likely something Freud actually ever said either.
Melbourne, could you please define the term ‘psychotic’?
Matt, is any of your ignorance being fought successfully?
I can assure you he did say that in an interview with a newspaper reporter and was printed in said paper. Unfortunately I have forgotten the name of the newspaper. Freud was a kind man, he understood what really healed his patients was his empathy and interest in seeing them improve. He was totally misrepresented by his detractors as many famous people are, but he left us a great legacy for those who could understand it.
Freud did say “sometimes a cigar is just a cigar”. It was a reply to a man who asked him about his symbolism of “a cigar is a phallic symbol.” At the time Freud was chewing on a cigar. If all you know about Freud was from the history books then you don’t know about him.
You seem to be confusing Freud for Carl Rogers. What you’re writing is nonsense.
Making the unconscious conscious, or developing insight, is not dependent on the empathy of the therapist. The therapist isn’t supposed to be empathetic, they’re supposed to be a blank slate so that the patient can project unconscious material onto them.
You simply have no idea what you’re talking about, and you’re quote from Freud is bullshit.
ETA: please provide a cite that directly quotes Freud on the cigar thing.
Since I doubt very much you were reading old newspapers from the turn of the century and just happened on the quote, could you tell us what your source for the quote is?
Not all of us have the ability to talk to dead people at a moment’s notice, we have to rely on mundane things like “research” to find out things.
I don’t know Carl Rogers. If you have described what modern therapist are taught, then it is understandable why they achieve no good results. What I said about Freud was accurate to the letter.
A good therapist must be empathic and non-judgmental. His success will depend on the trust given by the patient. You can and do project unconscious material on everyone you meet. But you usually mistake it as the other persons material. It takes a special person to be a good therapist. They can not be trained.
Except for the quote being fictional.
That’ll be news to the American Psychiatric Association.
Most people choose to believe what they want.
When I was reading Freud many years ago I went to the used book stores to find his books. On buying his book “Totem and Taboo” I found inside the book a newspaper, old and yellowed, with an interview of Freud. It was in this newspaper I read the quotes I posted here. I may still have it, but I have thousands of books and don’t intend to look for it.
I really don’t care whether you believe me or not, it is only necessary that I know it is truth.
Because they didn’t find it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
If you look at the circumstances it is apparent.
Did reality run over your dog when you were a kid?
No, you didn’t. You may well have read an interview with Freud, or you may have read a story about Freud, or perhaps even an imagined interview with Freud. You did not read an interview where Freud said “Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar” because there is no evidence he ever said it. Not that it seems to matter at this point, since matt357 has given up on this thread as far as I can tell.
The fact that nobody has ever found it is pretty good evidence.
I don’t know what this is supposed to mean, but if you mean it’s obvious that Freud said it, you’re wrong. And it’s not obvious that it’s something he *would
- have said, since the whole point of the quote is that it’s not what you would expect Freud to say.
The thing that amazes me most about this board is the number of posters willing to pass judgement on things they have no experience with and can not possible know anything about. Yet they say they are right by saying they are right. There must be a God.
While we’re talking about Sigmund the Master Speaks.
Lekatt I ask this in complete seriousness- why exactly did you read all of Freud’s books?
The black hole of Galaxy NGC 4889 calling the kettle black.
An just because I haven’t found evidence that you’re Charles Manson doesn’t mean you aren’t. :dubious:
This is a big waste of time, but I do know something about it: I went and read a good and detailed summary of the history of the purported quotation and why its provenance is dubious. On the other hand you’re relying on your memory of something you think you read many years ago, and - here’s the important part - nobody else ever seems to have read it. The author of the piece I linked to did not find it, and as far as I can tell nobody else on the entire Internet has ever seen it because I could not find anyone who was able to say “Freud uttered this quote in an interview with this newspaper on this date.” Freud isn’t an obscure subject and the quote is very famous, so I think that if it were real, someone somewhere would be able to identify where it came from. They can’t. So if I have to choose between your memory and the work of people who researched this quote and who are knowledgeable and familiar with Freud’s work, it’s a very easy choice.