# Metal Gear Solid 3: Wow. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 17, 2005, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/metal-gear-solid-3-wow/285245 "2005-01-17T21:43:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/779978/32.png) [@Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amazon_Floozy_Goddess)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2005, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/metal-gear-solid-3-wow/285245/1 "2005-01-17T21:43:52Z")
My brother got me MGS3 for my birthday a couple months ago, and I’ve been playing it for the last week. All I gotta say is: Holy. Crap. This is one beautiful game. Hideo Kojima never dissappoints. I’m totally blown away by the graphics, the backgrounds, the animations - the storyline is great as well. I really liked MGS and MGS2, but this one is the best yet, I think. It’s worth buying just for the opening movie. Sorry to gush, I’m just all googly over this game. It’s awesome. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![akifani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7ba0ec/32.png) [@akifani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/akifani)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2005, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/metal-gear-solid-3-wow/285245/2 "2005-01-17T22:01:36Z")
> [@Amazon Floozy Goddess](#): > > My brother got me MGS3 for my birthday a couple months ago, and I’ve been playing it for the last week. All I gotta say is: Holy. Crap. This is one beautiful game. Hideo Kojima never dissappoints. I’m totally blown away by the graphics, the backgrounds, the animations - the storyline is great as well. I really liked MGS and MGS2, but this one is the best yet, I think. It’s worth buying just for the opening movie. > > Sorry to gush, I’m just all googly over this game. It’s awesome. 🆒 You just wait until you get towards the end of the game. The only thing I don’t like about MGS2 and MGS3 is the huge amount of cheap “philosophy” that some characters inevitably spew. Those who played the games know what i’m referring to. MGS1 had less of that. Still, All MGS games fall under the “Must play” category. And all of them are worthy of a spot in the 10 best games of all times IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/metal-gear-solid-3-wow/285245/3 "2005-01-18T01:11:51Z")
The MGS sequels are the only reason I want a PS2. Unfortunately, I am poor and still have yet to buy one. ---
**Author:** ![Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/779978/32.png) [@Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amazon_Floozy_Goddess)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/metal-gear-solid-3-wow/285245/4 "2005-01-18T05:16:19Z")
> [@akifani](#): > > The only thing I don’t like about MGS2 and MGS3 is the huge amount of cheap “philosophy” that some characters inevitably spew. Those who played the games know what i’m referring to. MGS1 had less of that. I agree with you there. Some of those political movie sequences in MGS2 were enough to fry my brain. There was one that I swear ran for nearly half an hour. ---
**Author:** ![Freejooky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ba8739/32.png) [@Freejooky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freejooky)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/metal-gear-solid-3-wow/285245/5 "2005-01-18T07:01:10Z")
I love the actual games, but think the MGS stories are shite. They’re third-rate, overblown Tom Clancy cliches with ridiculously bad scripts. Love the actual gameplay, though. I finally gave up about halfway through MGS3; I feel that they really lost the spirit of the series with this one. The whole camoflauge system is interesting, but having to go in and out of the menu screen to do it is an enormous pain, just really terrible execution. The game’s camera system really kills 3, though. I mean, just slaughters it. Parts of the game are unplayable due to the overhead view and lack of radar. Ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![akifani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7ba0ec/32.png) [@akifani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/akifani)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/metal-gear-solid-3-wow/285245/6 "2005-01-18T10:35:26Z")
> [@Freejooky](#): > > I love the actual games, but think the MGS stories are shite. They’re third-rate, overblown Tom Clancy cliches with ridiculously bad scripts. Love the actual gameplay, though. > > I finally gave up about halfway through MGS3; I feel that they really lost the spirit of the series with this one. The whole camoflauge system is interesting, but having to go in and out of the menu screen to do it is an enormous pain, just really terrible execution. > > The game’s camera system really kills 3, though. I mean, just slaughters it. Parts of the game are unplayable due to the overhead view and lack of radar. Ridiculous. The points you raise are valid and annoyed me as well. However, do _not_ give up. The ending of the game will utterly blow you away. And i’m only using these words because i can’t think of anything stronger. Seriously, it is by far the best Crescendo/apotheosis in a game EVER. Nothing comes close to coming close. You’ll thank me when you get there and see what i’m talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Freejooky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ba8739/32.png) [@Freejooky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freejooky)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/metal-gear-solid-3-wow/285245/7 "2005-01-18T12:21:50Z")
Interesting! I may stick with it, but I’ve been stuck at this RIDICULOUS boss battle for about four days now (the one where he’s invisible and shoots you with arrows, and the only way to win is apparently to poison him with rotten food to bring down his stamina). It ceased being fun about 3 days ago. ---
**Author:** ![Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoundrel_Swanswater)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/metal-gear-solid-3-wow/285245/8 "2005-01-18T13:24:34Z")
I still don’t understand why people like these games. I have played part 2 from start to finish and found it extremely tedious. The story was just laughable. The action was just straight annoying. I am not a fan of stealth-games at all. The graphics however are always top-notch as is the music. I might play MGS3 if I can find a good walk-through. I don’t have the patience for games like this. ---
**Author:** ![Incubus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c68b51/32.png) [@Incubus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Incubus)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/metal-gear-solid-3-wow/285245/9 "2005-01-18T14:24:39Z")
I watched my friend’s roomate play it. The boss fights are always really wacky. It is kind of funny that Cobra, the group that allegedly defeated the Nazis in WWII consisted of: A guy that sics hornets at people 😕 Some doublejointed fool with a crossbow 😕 A geriatric with a sniper rifle Ms Cleo with an assault rifle A Cosmonaut with anger-control issues And some preggo babe with Steven Segal moves. 😛 I thought Vulgin reminded me a lot of Ivan Drago from Rocky IV. You know, only with electric powers. Rocky vs Vulgin would have been a much more interesting fight 😛 ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/metal-gear-solid-3-wow/285245/10 "2005-01-18T14:39:58Z")
Now I’m going to have to play this game for the “cool” ending. Although I’m already guessing (and since this is my guess I’m not spoiler-boxing it) that the Patriots/lalilulelo from MGS2 are actually Big Boss’s/Naked Snake’s (again, non-spoiler; the connection is obvious) failsafe, if Hideo Kojima actually has any idea at all and isn’t just smoking waaay too much weed. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/metal-gear-solid-3-wow/285245/11 "2005-01-18T14:48:26Z")
> [@Freejooky](#): > > I love the actual games, but think the MGS stories are shite. They’re third-rate, overblown Tom Clancy cliches with ridiculously bad scripts. Love the actual gameplay, though. Say what you want but the story in the first Splinter Cell game actually made sense. It’s kind of eerie because the terrorist in that game were planning on broadcasting executions over the net and this game came out before the invasion of Iraq. Marc ---
**Author:** ![Freejooky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ba8739/32.png) [@Freejooky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freejooky)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/metal-gear-solid-3-wow/285245/12 "2005-01-18T14:56:33Z")
Yeah, I’m basically convinced that Naked Snake becomes the original Big Boss at the end of 3; it’s just really obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/779978/32.png) [@Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amazon_Floozy_Goddess)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2005, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/metal-gear-solid-3-wow/285245/13 "2005-01-18T16:27:15Z")
Oh yeah, there’s lots of ridiculous points in the story, and some of the villains (not to mention their names), are downright silly. The young Revolver Ocelot is a whiny loser and I thoroughly hate him. Nonetheless, the story _is_ interesting, though, and the gameplay/graphics make it all all-round amazing game, and yes, I just beat it last night, and the ending sequence was breathtaking. I also seem to have a weakness for stealth games. For some reason I find picking off bad guys with a sniper rifle from 300 feet away _really_ satisfying. ---
**Author:** ![akifani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7ba0ec/32.png) [@akifani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/akifani)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2005, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/metal-gear-solid-3-wow/285245/14 "2005-01-19T02:22:27Z")
> [@Freejooky](#): > > Interesting! I may stick with it, but I’ve been stuck at this RIDICULOUS boss battle for about four days now (the one where he’s invisible and shoots you with arrows, and the only way to win is apparently to poison him with rotten food to bring down his stamina). It ceased being fun about 3 days ago. You mean the spider guy in the trees? As always with MGS games, there are several strategies you can use. And what’s cooler is that all of them make sense. Just go over to [www.gamefaqs.com](http://www.gamefaqs.com) and check some of the walkthroughs there, there is always a foolproof way to kill bosses. That one is no exception. (I think I used the thermal googles and just shot him) ---
**Author:** ![Freejooky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ba8739/32.png) [@Freejooky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freejooky)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/metal-gear-solid-3-wow/285245/15 "2005-01-20T07:17:43Z")
> [@Amazon Floozy Goddess](#): > > Oh yeah, there’s lots of ridiculous points in the story, and some of the villains (not to mention their names), are downright silly. The young Revolver Ocelot is a whiny loser and I thoroughly hate him. Nonetheless, the story _is_ interesting, though, and the gameplay/graphics make it all all-round amazing game, and yes, I just beat it last night, and the ending sequence was breathtaking. > > I also seem to have a weakness for stealth games. For some reason I find picking off bad guys with a sniper rifle from 300 feet away _really_ satisfying. I like how Revolver Ocelot goes from being a whiny young American to a refined British man over the course of his life. :smack: I decided to not give up on MGS3 (though I’m playing the shit out of _Mercenaries_ now). It’s on the backburner. Does anyone else think that MGS3 makes it too easy to just blast your way through the game? I liked that in the older games, you really _had_ to use stealth or it was your ass. ---
**Author:** ![akifani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7ba0ec/32.png) [@akifani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/akifani)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/metal-gear-solid-3-wow/285245/16 "2005-01-20T09:14:49Z")
> [@Freejooky](#): > > I like how Revolver Ocelot goes from being a whiny young American to a refined British man over the course of his life. :smack: > > I decided to not give up on MGS3 (though I’m playing the shit out of _Mercenaries_ now). It’s on the backburner. > > Does anyone else think that MGS3 makes it too easy to just blast your way through the game? I liked that in the older games, you really _had_ to use stealth or it was your ass. Ocelot is russian. what you said about stealth is partly true. Yes, you have better odds of surviving shootouts in MGS3 but it’s harder to sneak on people and the interrogation makes it worthwile (i have committed soooo many suicides just because of that). ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/metal-gear-solid-3-wow/285245/17 "2005-01-20T15:26:58Z")
> [@](#): > > Ocelot is russian. He was talking about the accents. ---
**Author:** ![Stark\_Raven\_Mad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Stark\_Raven\_Mad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stark_Raven_Mad)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2005, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/metal-gear-solid-3-wow/285245/18 "2005-01-25T15:47:02Z")
> [@Freejooky](#): > > I like how Revolver Ocelot goes from being a whiny young American to a refined British man over the course of his life. :smack: > > I decided to not give up on MGS3 (though I’m playing the shit out of _Mercenaries_ now). It’s on the backburner. > > Does anyone else think that MGS3 makes it too easy to just blast your way through the game? I liked that in the older games, you really _had_ to use stealth or it was your ass. I like to think that you’re pretty much conversing in Russian with the Russians all the way through, though. Sokolov, if you remember, tells you that ‘your Russian is superb’. It _is_ much easier to blast your way through, and even more so your second or third time through, but the bonus items/camo are excellent incentive for not doing so. As for The Fear (the invisible chap with the arthritis), simply Pick up some fish when you can. It’ll be rotten by the time you get to this fight, so just equip it in your inventory and chuck it all in a clearing and then wait for The Fear to drop by for a bite. If you run out, all the mushrooms and frogs in the area are poisonous. The idiot will actually KEEP coming back if you make sure not to get too close. You can get plenty of shots in while he’s loitering in the area. Oh, and try to take him out with the MK22, and search the area after he kicks it.