# Mets first no hitter. Or is it? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 2, 2012, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mets-first-no-hitter-or-is-it/623849 "2012-06-02T06:22:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mets-first-no-hitter-or-is-it/623849/21 "2012-06-05T17:37:59Z")
FWIW I don’t think a no-hitter is terribly impressive when the pitcher walks 4. I know it still meets the definition of a no hitter but between 4 walks and the fair ball it loses it’s shine. IMHO that is. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mets-first-no-hitter-or-is-it/623849/22 "2012-06-05T17:44:13Z")
> [@Cubsfan](#): > > FWIW I don’t think a no-hitter is terribly impressive when the pitcher walks 4. I know it still meets the definition of a no hitter but between 4 walks and the fair ball it loses it’s shine. > > IMHO that is. Jim Maloney [walked ten](http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/631). ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mets-first-no-hitter-or-is-it/623849/23 "2012-06-05T17:47:00Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Jim Maloney [walked ten](http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/631). Edwin Jackson walked 9, I believe, for his no-hitter. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mets-first-no-hitter-or-is-it/623849/24 "2012-06-05T17:48:30Z")
> [@Cubsfan](#): > > FWIW I don’t think a no-hitter is terribly impressive when the pitcher walks 4. I know it still meets the definition of a no hitter but between 4 walks and the fair ball it loses it’s shine. Five walks. And yes, I am sure Santana has pitched many games that were better than this one. He has nine other shutouts and I’m sure he’d have a better GameScore in some of those, for example. The Beltran ball was clearly a hit on the replay and there’s already a good argument for expanding replay, but I don’t think the game is tarnished for Mets fans. If nothing else I’m sure they felt the baseball gods owed them one for all the other near-no-hitters they’ve had in the last 50 years. ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mets-first-no-hitter-or-is-it/623849/25 "2012-06-05T17:53:13Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > The guy who stormed the field after the no - hitter was arrested and put in jail. And he missed his son’s [first birthday party](http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2012/06/mets-fan-crashes-johan-santana-no-hitter/1#.T80LTrBYtxN). Is there such a thing as a one-man “storm”? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mets-first-no-hitter-or-is-it/623849/26 "2012-06-05T18:14:16Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Five walks. And yes, I am sure Santana has pitched many games that were better than this one. He has nine other shutouts and I’m sure he’d have a better GameScore in some of those, for example. The Beltran ball was clearly a hit on the replay and there’s already a good argument for expanding replay, but I don’t think the game is tarnished for Mets fans. If nothing else I’m sure they felt the baseball gods owed them one for all the other near-no-hitters they’ve had in the last 50 years. As I posted upthread I was in the stadium for his previous start. It was probably a stronger start than the no hitter. No walks, 4 hits but 2 were really cheap. No walks, 7 ks and 96 total pitches for a complete game shut out. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mets-first-no-hitter-or-is-it/623849/27 "2012-06-05T19:03:10Z")
Santana’s 2-hitter with 17 strikeouts and no walks (only 8 innings though) was pretty amazing too. 95 Game Score. From 2007: [Texas Rangers vs Minnesota Twins Box Score: August 19, 2007 | Baseball-Reference.com](http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIN/MIN200708190.shtml) ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mets-first-no-hitter-or-is-it/623849/28 "2012-06-05T21:24:34Z")
Munch: > [@](#): > > Am I guessing that things like DVRs are verboten? No, we just don’t have one. He can, and has, since listened to the game on the MLB Gameday Audio archive. ---
**Author:** ![robardin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/43a26b/32.png) [@robardin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robardin)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mets-first-no-hitter-or-is-it/623849/29 "2012-06-05T21:55:16Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Munch: > > In a similar vein, my son is a huge Mets fan, listens to almost every game, and listened to this game until the fourth inning, but then **had to shut off the computer for Shabbos**. He spent the next 25 hours wondering if they pulled it off. I know the saying along the lines that if you ask 3 Jews (or rabbis) to interpret for you that you’ll probably [get back 5 answers](http://www.backoftheshul.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3470), but I could swear I’ve known or heard of Orthodox Jews who were able to leave a TV or radio on that was already on, or even set a timer, while keeping Shabbos. Apparently there’s an “out” clause for health reasons (like turning on an A/C during a heat wave for a homebound elderly person). Maybe mental health qualifies, in terms of letting a Mets fan listen to the end of what was building up to be the first ever no-hitter in team history? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mets-first-no-hitter-or-is-it/623849/30 "2012-06-05T22:59:24Z")
Has there ever been a mutual no-hitter? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2012, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mets-first-no-hitter-or-is-it/623849/31 "2012-06-05T23:06:25Z")
> [@BrotherCadfael](#): > > Has there ever been a mutual no-hitter? [Hippo Vaughn and Fred Toney.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippo_Vaughn) > [@](#): > > On May 2, 1917, at the ballpark now known as Wrigley Field, Vaughn dueled with Fred Toney of the Cincinnati Reds for nine hitless innings. In the top of the 10th, the Reds scored on a couple of hits after Vaughn had retired the first batter, while Toney continued to hold the Cubs hitless in the bottom of the inning, winning the game for the Reds. **With changes to the scoring rules in recent years, this game is no longer considered as a no-hitter for Vaughn; but it is still the only occasion in major league history in which a regulation nine innings was played without either team logging a hit.** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mets-first-no-hitter-or-is-it/623849.md?page=1)