# Mexican banks hacked; losses unknown **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 15, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mexican-banks-hacked-losses-unknown/814245 "2018-05-15T21:34:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mexican-banks-hacked-losses-unknown/814245/1 "2018-05-15T21:34:46Z")
[No joke, folks](https://apnews.com/4ed1896faa8246549baf32846cefd419/Mexico-acknowledges-banks-were-hacked;-losses-unknown). > [@](#): > > The head of the country’s central bank, Alejandro Diaz de Leon acknowledged late Monday that a “cyberattack” was involved in shadowy transfers of between $18 million and $20 million. > > The central bank issued a memo Monday saying banks could opt to immediately pay out transfers for customers they know and trust, but would impose a one-day wait period for others. > > The head of the country’s bankers’ association told local media Tuesday that the hackers had apparently duplicated valid settlement payments between banks, with one copy going to the intended recipient and the other going to account set up by hackers. > > Few expected authorities to be so unprepared. Security breakdowns were first detected on April 27, but by Monday, authorities were still not sure how much had been taken. They said some of the fake transfers were caught before they could go through. > > But it was also revealing that the central bank did not have a cybersecurity division until Tuesday, when one was created by decree. How could the banks NOT have a cybersecurity division? WTF? How long until an American bank admits something like this? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mexican-banks-hacked-losses-unknown/814245/2 "2018-05-16T02:47:30Z")
This may turn out to be something similar to the [theft of about $100 million from the central bank of Bangladesh](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Bank_robbery) a couple of years ago (and in that case they were actually trying to steal a billion dollars). ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mexican-banks-hacked-losses-unknown/814245/3 "2018-05-16T03:54:39Z")
And they only got away with 100 million? Posers. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mexican-banks-hacked-losses-unknown/814245/4 "2018-05-16T06:36:18Z")
20 mil in pesos? That’s what 5-10 grand maybe ? ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mexican-banks-hacked-losses-unknown/814245/5 "2018-05-16T07:03:29Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > How could the banks NOT have a cybersecurity division? WTF? Lots of companies have cybersecurity that can be defeated by a ten year old and physical security that can be destroyed by a white van, a pair of blue coveralls and a clipboard, or by a middle-aged woman who looks like she knows where she’s going. ---
**Author:** ![Patch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@Patch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patch)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mexican-banks-hacked-losses-unknown/814245/6 "2018-05-16T17:38:58Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Lots of companies have cybersecurity that can be defeated by a ten year old and physical security that can be destroyed by a white van, a pair of blue coveralls and a clipboard, or by a middle-aged woman who looks like she knows where she’s going. [A nice presentation by a guy getting access to banks.](https://youtu.be/UpX70KxGiVo?t=6m28s) The whole thing is interesting, but this starts at the bank stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2018, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mexican-banks-hacked-losses-unknown/814245/7 "2018-05-16T18:21:29Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Lots of companies have cybersecurity that can be defeated by a ten year old and physical security that can be destroyed by a white van, a pair of blue coveralls and a clipboard, or by a middle-aged woman who looks like she knows where she’s going. For sure, but to not have one at all? In 2018? That’s not normal (or smart). > [@Patch](#): > > [A nice presentation by a guy getting access to banks.](https://youtu.be/UpX70KxGiVo?t=6m28s) The whole thing is interesting, but this starts at the bank stuff. I can vouch for his BAD descriptions. I used to do similarly and was always amazed at how easy it was. ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mexican-banks-hacked-losses-unknown/814245/8 "2018-05-17T00:16:18Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [No joke, folks](https://apnews.com/4ed1896faa8246549baf32846cefd419/Mexico-acknowledges-banks-were-hacked;-losses-unknown).How could the banks NOT have a cybersecurity division? WTF? > > How long until an American bank admits something like this? What, you need a special cyber-security division with a cyber-security VP to impress the shareholders and the government? Security doesn’t begin with the creation of a “security” management position. Although it sometimes ends there. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2018, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mexican-banks-hacked-losses-unknown/814245/9 "2018-05-17T05:53:32Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > For sure, but to not have one at all? In 2018? That’s not normal (or smart). They had cybersecurity. What they didn’t have was a cybersecurity department, division, call it X. And as **Melbourne** says, if all they’re doing is give a title and a fat salary with commensurate fat bonuses to somebody’s nephew, it’s not going to really solve anything. I’ve told you guys before about my client who was hit very badly by ransomware, and which in the course of cleaning up every company-owned computer discovered some employees had up to 6 company computers. Did they make the people with extras hand them in? No. Did they create a list of who had what? No. Did they put in place any measures that would prevent employees from taking a laptop home, giving it to their kid with the company’s confidential data and highly-paid licenses in, etc.? No. Did they punt those employees in orbit around Saturn? No. But hey, they did have a cybersecurity division.