# MI GOP leaders meeting with Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 20, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060 "2020-11-20T17:39:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/181 "2020-11-23T18:22:59Z")
That was a long delay before a second. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/182 "2020-11-23T18:23:07Z")
I can’t tell exactly, but I think they just decided to allow public comment before they vote. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/183 "2020-11-23T18:23:46Z")
Has that one guy removed his mask from his mouth now too? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/184 "2020-11-23T18:24:27Z")
Isn’t it pretty typical to have a motion and support, followed by discussion? How can you have discussion before there’s a motion on the floor? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/185 "2020-11-23T18:25:46Z")
I do not understand removing your mask to speak in to a microphone. People of all political stripes do this and it annoys the fuck out of me. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/186 "2020-11-23T18:26:23Z")
I think it’s instinct. People just reflexively do it, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/187 "2020-11-23T18:26:38Z")
FYI, the Langevelde guy who was arguing for extended discussion, is one of the two Republicans. One of the Republicans has committed to voting no, this Langevelde is the wildcard. However, from his remarks, it does sound like he’s committed to certifying, he just wants to make sure there’s ample time for discussion, although I could have misunderstood his intentions. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/188 "2020-11-23T18:27:42Z")
This is how I interpreted it, along with how a Michigan politics reporter interprets it: [https://twitter.com/jonathanoosting/status/1330939926079221762](https://twitter.com/jonathanoosting/status/1330939926079221762) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/189 "2020-11-23T18:28:42Z")
He said we have a duty to do this but I’m still not convinced he really means it. He could say “Hey wait, we didn’t hear enough from MAGA people? Rigged!” There’s a part of me that wonders whether or not they will vote to deadlock with the assumption that Whitmer will end up certifying it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/190 "2020-11-23T18:32:08Z")
``` never mind ``` ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/191 "2020-11-23T18:41:38Z")
It kinda looks like Van Langevelde is trying to give himself some cover to certify the results as presented but who knows… ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/192 "2020-11-23T18:41:43Z")
Man, that Shinkle is a real turd. He’s just looking for any justification to delay and/or vote no on this. Even though it’s clear the counties no longer have jurisdiction to do anything else. Their canvass is done. The board needs to certify under state law, and can not investigate anything. Once certified, then audits can begin, you doofus\*. \*ETA: “Doofus” being Shinkle, not anyone here. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/193 "2020-11-23T18:43:28Z")
That’s what it looks like to me too. Hopefully that means he’s already decided to vote to certify. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/194 "2020-11-23T18:49:20Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Man, that Shinkle is a real turd. He’s just looking for any justification to delay and/or vote no on this. Even though it’s clear the counties no longer have jurisdiction to do anything else. Their canvass is done. The board needs to certify under state law, and can not investigate anything. Once certified, then audits can begin, you doofus\*. What’s the point of voting if they have to vote a certain way? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/195 "2020-11-23T18:50:31Z")
Such a hard decision for the Republicans… Do your job in accordance with the law and the constitution or… Show fealty to a crazy wanna-be dictator. Such a tough choice for them. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/196 "2020-11-23T18:52:30Z")
The YouTube trolls are kinda funny if you get bored watching the proceedings ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/197 "2020-11-23T19:05:05Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > What’s the point of voting if they have to vote a certain way? [Their duty to certify is mandatory and ministerial under state law.](https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1330548138235600902.html?fbclid=IwAR0bN-6Q5ZDegRK9Ihbq2LPlux_F4B4oNTdpFOedmRb_GBrTKyGMTsbqc9M) ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/198 "2020-11-23T19:07:06Z")
Okay, but that still doesn’t explain why a vote takes place if they don’t have a choice. What’s the point? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/199 "2020-11-23T19:09:18Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Such a hard decision for the Republicans… Do your job in accordance with the law and the constitution or… Show fealty to a crazy wanna-be dictator. Such a tough choice for them. It’s truly extraordinary, and incredibly bad. I’ve been watching election stuff for 35 years and the idea this would happen, and nearly a whole party would deny the result of a Presidential election, was previously just totally incomprehensible. No one would have dreamt of it. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/200 "2020-11-23T19:09:37Z")
From what I understand, it’s something like a notarization. All four are notarizing that they received counties’ results. Once a majority of the four vote yes to certify, then audits and investigations into the results can begin. I’m happy to be corrected on this. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060.md?page=11)