# MI GOP leaders meeting with Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 20, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060 "2020-11-20T17:39:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/221 "2020-11-23T19:55:26Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > > [@bobot](#): > > > > If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.” > > ― David Frum > > Frum himself has not abandoned conservatism. Does this mean he is rejecting democracy? The Republican Party has abandoned conservatism (which I, idiosyncratically, apparently, define as excluding radicalism). ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/222 "2020-11-23T19:57:48Z")
These Republicans keep talking about 70% of Detroit precincts being “out of balance.” This is a lie. [The truth: 72% are BALANCED.](https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/fact-squad-audit-wouldnt-change-outcome-biden-win-michigan) Absentee ballots are still unbalanced, but overall it may mean a few hundred votes. This may be where the Republicans are getting their 70% number, but, again, to say 70% of precincts are unbalanced in Detroit is a lie: > That means 70 percent of absentee precincts were unbalanced, a level that was roughly the same as in the August primary, when canvassers certified the election but implored Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson to add resources for the November election to prevent a similar occurrence. > > The lack of progress prompted two Republican canvassers in Wayne County last week to unsuccessfully try to rescind their votes to certify. > > How many votes are at issue? > It’s not entirely clear, but likely about 400. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/223 "2020-11-23T20:07:23Z")
Sorry to post again, but to clarify: These Republicans (Spies, Cox, now it seems Monica Palmer) are asking for a delay in certification of almost five and a half million votes because of about 400 out-of-balance votes _in Detroit._ ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/224 "2020-11-23T20:09:50Z")
I’m starting to think the Republicans aren’t on the level. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/225 "2020-11-23T20:13:02Z")
Notice the shift from whether the vote is balanced to “People threatened us so we can’t really say this was a valid election.” ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/226 "2020-11-23T20:13:19Z")
So does Shinkle think the Republicans are the only ones getting threatened? Or are their threats the only ones that are relevant to this board meeting? Fuck a duck, I’m done watching this. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/227 "2020-11-23T20:14:45Z")
Yep, just keep muddying the waters with lies, conspiracy theories. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/228 "2020-11-23T20:20:32Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Fuck a duck Suck an elf. That’s a favorite phrase of these trolls. [![](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/31/b1/11/31b111816f1ce999f22e07de1965eae8.jpg) ](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/31/b1/11/31b111816f1ce999f22e07de1965eae8.jpg) Yes, that’s Ed O’Neill at front & center. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/229 "2020-11-23T20:24:19Z")
What does “unbalanced” mean in this case? ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/230 "2020-11-23T20:27:38Z")
It means the total number of votes counted doesn’t match the total number of ballots issued. So you counted all the votes and got 100 total votes but maybe you have 99 total in-person and absentee ballots. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/231 "2020-11-23T20:29:31Z")
Article on WaPo says there were more errors in Michigan in 2016 when trump won the state by a small margin and he didn’t complain then. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/232 "2020-11-23T20:30:29Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Sorry to post again, but to clarify: These Republicans (Spies, Cox, now it seems Monica Palmer) are asking for a delay in certification of almost five and a half million votes because of about 400 out-of-balance votes _in Detroit._ I wish this would be emphasized by someone at this hearing. Nobody has made this point that I have heard. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/233 "2020-11-23T20:35:17Z")
IMO kudos to Chairwoman Bradshaw for doing a bang-up job of running this meeting. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/234 "2020-11-23T20:37:39Z")
From Nancy Kaffer of the Detroit Free Press… > ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/235 "2020-11-23T20:41:53Z")
haha throwing Shirkey’s word back at him is awesome ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/236 "2020-11-23T20:43:15Z")
I’m no longer watching, what happened? Who did? And how? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/237 "2020-11-23T20:43:24Z")
What happened? I had to step away. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/238 "2020-11-23T20:47:25Z")
Nothing. Public comment from some state reps and citizens. Basically either (a) recounting crazy conspiracy theories that have never been submitted to a court or (b) asking the board to do their damn jobs. But, of course, we live in an age where a decent number of people think (a) makes more sense than (b). ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/239 "2020-11-23T20:49:58Z")
You’d think that Biden’s campaign lawyer in Michigan, Mary Ellen Gurewitz, would know how and be able to join in on a Zoom meeting with audio and video that work… Haven’t we all had plenty of practice with this by now over the course of the pandemic? More generally, watching many of the speakers this afternoon, I don’t know why people haven’t figured out by now that a hard-wired Ethernet connection always works better than relying on a wireless connection. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/240 "2020-11-23T21:07:51Z")
Now they are saying they are going to try to hear from everyone who wants to speak, and there are over 500 people waiting. They’re going to cut each speaker down to 2 minutes (not counting the time it takes people to spell out their names) so that should help, but I’m not sure they’ve thought out how long this is going to take. Not sure what else they can do, though. If they cut off public comment, people will have a fit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060.md?page=13)