# MI GOP leaders meeting with Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 20, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060 "2020-11-20T17:39:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/261 "2020-11-23T22:15:58Z")
> [@robby](#): > > Mr. Van Langevelde is speaking now; looks like he is implying that he’s going to vote to certify. > > He’s now quoting John Adams… Looks like I misquoted Mr. Van Langevelde (and John Adams). The correct Adams quote is that we [as a republic] have “A government of laws, and not of men.” ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/262 "2020-11-23T22:25:30Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > 3 yay and 1 abstention, so doofus didn’t quite vote against after all Voting to “abstain” was the most cowardly option available to GOP board member Norman Shinkle, and it will avail him nothing. The Trumpers will be enraged that he didn’t vote “no”, and nobody will credit him for doing the right thing under difficult circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/263 "2020-11-23T22:28:37Z")
Yeah, but he will go through the rest of his life with that name, like something from a terrible work of fiction. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/264 "2020-11-23T22:39:09Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > Voting to “abstain” was the most cowardly option available to GOP board member Norman Shinkle, and it will avail him nothing. The Trumpers will be enraged that he didn’t vote “no”, and nobody will credit him for doing the right thing under difficult circumstances. Exactly this. They’re all doing this “hold me back” routine in the hopes that someone else can fix their problem and that they can act like the actual adults victimized them. Some day all of these cowards are going to have to realize that “stop the steal” crowd is not worth pandering to. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/265 "2020-11-23T22:58:22Z")
He gets seated next to Bob Mueller henceforth. “Ignominy, party of two ??” ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/266 "2020-11-23T23:02:46Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > Voting to “abstain” was the most cowardly option available to GOP board member Norman Shinkle, and it will avail him nothing. The Trumpers will be enraged that he didn’t vote “no”, and nobody will credit him for doing the right thing under difficult circumstances. Voting “no” was pushing it. He was wise to avoid the vote instead of voting no. If charged with a felony, he’d have to produce evidence for why he voted no and…there is none. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/267 "2020-11-24T02:24:19Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > under difficult circumstances. I disagree with this. No one should get even a smidgen of credit or kudos for doing their freaking job and voting “yes.” Easy as pie. Nothing “difficult” about it whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![lesh17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9fc348/32.png) [@lesh17](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lesh17)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/268 "2020-11-24T19:28:47Z")
To coin a phrase, under the circumstances he Shinkled his duty. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060.md?page=13)