# MI GOP leaders meeting with Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 20, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060 "2020-11-20T17:39:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/61 "2020-11-21T00:22:47Z")
> In their statement, the Michigan lawmakers also said that their state’s certification process should be “free from threats and intimidation.” That was an interesting tidbit from the article. It implies that Trump was the one giving them “threats and intimidation” in the meeting that they had just attended with him. I mean, there is only one group here who is demanding that they do not follow their state’s certification process; And that is Team Trump. So their statement today certainly implies that Trump tried to use threats and intimidation on them. And they were not having any of it. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/62 "2020-11-21T00:53:55Z")
Here’s their statement: > ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/63 "2020-11-21T00:54:19Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > So their statement today certainly implies that Trump tried to use threats and intimidation on them. Agreed. But they don’t want to be clear on that, perhaps because that would be asking to be primaried. Or, even more likely, because they have mixed feelings about Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/64 "2020-11-21T00:55:25Z")
They may have meant this. > **[Wayne County canvassers doxxed and threatened over votes](https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/19/wayne-county-canvassers-doxxed-threatened/6340324002/)** > > An online swarm of outraged Michiganders, verified users and amateur internet sleuths turned the topic of a local Zoom meeting into a vicious national frenzy Tuesday night. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/65 "2020-11-21T03:16:10Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Dude, seriously, stop hoping for decency and honor – that train left the fucking station a long time ago. > > There is absolutely NO honor and decency to be found. [Well, maybe not so much…](https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/michigan-leaders-visit-trump-1.5809810) > Michigan’s top Republican state legislators said after meeting with President Donald Trump on Friday that they did not have any information that would change the outcome of the presidential election in the state, where Democrat Joe Biden defeated Republican Trump. > > “We have not yet been made aware of any information that would change the outcome of the election in Michigan and as legislative leaders, we will follow the law and follow the normal process regarding Michigan’s electors,” Michigan Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey and House of Representatives Speaker Lee Chatfield said in a joint statement. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/66 "2020-11-21T03:27:55Z")
Personally I think “honor and decency” in this case wouldn’t be, “Oh hey, I guess we’ll follow the law,” it would be, “It’s unconscionable that someone identifying as Republican has attempted to steal a free and fair election through baseless lawsuits and blatant attempts to manipulate GOP officials. We uniformly condemn this action and the President who instigated it.” That’s honor and decency. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/67 "2020-11-21T04:35:26Z")
If y’all believe these underhanded shitbirds talked about COVID with the president today, I’ve got a nice bit of oceanfront property in Lansing to sell you. It’s beautiful. Salty air, great for marlin fishing and Jimmy Buffet concerts. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/68 "2020-11-21T04:36:41Z")
Aye; I’m gonna hold off on too many accolades until I see Michigan’s electors. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/69 "2020-11-21T04:46:38Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > “We have not yet been made aware of any information that would change the outcome of the election in Michigan and as legislative leaders, we will follow the law and follow the normal process regarding Michigan’s electors,” Michigan Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey and House of Representatives Speaker Lee Chatfield said in a joint statement. “Yet.” ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/70 "2020-11-21T05:02:00Z")
[Shirkey and Chatfield staying in Trump’s DC hotel tonight?](https://twitter.com/nancykaffer/status/1329954571880460288/photo/1) After meeting with him privately in the Oval Office a couple days after Trump’s GOP unsuccessfully made a play to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of Wayne County voters and slow down Michigan’s election certification? I mean it must be just a coincidence, the timing of the invite, and the fact that he’s not reaching out to Michigan’s governor about COVID, and that the only other state legislators he’s planning to invite to the Oval [are from Pennsylvania.](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-us-election-news-11-20-20/h_0ee32947ed392bc91b2af5495bddac2a) This all seems…hmm, “legit” isn’t the word I’m looking for…oh yeah, it’s “fucked,” with a side of “greasy.” ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/71 "2020-11-21T06:49:05Z")
Some of you guys need to back away from the ledge and maybe take some time off from election news. Trump and his minions have gotten nowhere in the courts or the state governments. The only thing I’ve seen is the two idiot low-level flunkies in Detroit and they ultimately failed even at that. This election is not being overturned. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/72 "2020-11-21T06:54:58Z")
No shit. They’re not trying to necessarily overturn it. They’re trying to delegitmize Biden. But the fact that the GOP is working so fucking hard to throw out my vote here in Michigan, as well as millions of other Michigan voters (with a special target on the city of Detroit), is something that I don’t take too kindly to. And my state’s legislative leaders gave this shitshow a bit of legitimacy today by even sitting down with Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/73 "2020-11-21T11:45:37Z")
Yeah, c’mon guys. It’s an _attempted_ coup by the governing party, not a completed one. Jesus, get a hobby. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/74 "2020-11-21T12:20:34Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Yeah, c’mon guys. It’s an _attempted_ coup by the governing party, not a completed one. > > Jesus, get a hobby. - And it doesn’t bother you that the GOP was silent (and complicit by their silence) about the whole thing? Just think what would have happened if Trump wasn’t a fuckup magnet. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/75 "2020-11-21T12:41:26Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > But the fact that the GOP is working so fucking hard to throw out my vote here in Michigan, as well as millions of other Michigan voters (with a special target on the city of Detroit), is something that I don’t take too kindly to Totally. I’m surprised the word “apartheid” hadn’t been used (AFAIK) to succinctly describe what those two Wayne County official tried to impose (twice!). ---
**Author:** ![medstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@medstar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/medstar)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/76 "2020-11-21T12:56:10Z")
If those two officials were really honorable, they would have told Trump there was no need for a face to face meeting, they would certify the results as according to law. And then hung up on him. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/77 "2020-11-21T12:59:35Z")
> [@medstar](#): > > If those two officials were really honorable, they would have told Trump there was no need for a face to face meeting, they would certify the results as according to law. And then hung up on him. - I can see some value in him thinking they were coming to do his bidding and then pulling the rug out from under him. This is far more visible than a phone call he could claim was never made. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/78 "2020-11-21T13:03:56Z")
I agree on this one. Their actions are consistent with telling Trump to go fuck himself. But they are also consistent with having just made an arrangement to pull some shady shit in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/79 "2020-11-21T14:47:41Z")
Truly they are Schrödinger’s Canvassers. And we have to wait 2 more days for the waveform to collapse. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2020, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/80 "2020-11-21T14:51:16Z")
Moreover, if you are perceived as accepting this kind of behavior, you can damn well bet they’ll try even harder to make sure they throw your vote out again in 2 or 4 years. There’s a time for outrage and this is one of those times. They will continue to do what they’re doing until they fear paying a high price for doing it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060.md?page=5)