# MI GOP leaders meeting with Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 20, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060 "2020-11-20T17:39:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/161 "2020-11-23T13:57:40Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Seriously ? You consciously chose _not_ to go with Capybara ? The correct acronym for Capybara is _ROUS._ ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/162 "2020-11-23T15:13:14Z")
I’m pretty sure those don’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/163 "2020-11-23T15:14:22Z")
If American militias weren’t exclusively staffed by stupid people, this would be the sort of thing they’d show up at the state house for. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/164 "2020-11-23T16:07:30Z")
Exactly! Finally, they have a chance to defend freedom and democracy …and suddenly they have better things to do. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/165 "2020-11-23T16:10:57Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > f American militias weren’t exclusively staffed by stupid people, this would be the sort of thing they’d show up at the state house for. Give them time. The meeting to certify isn’t until 1 PM. They need to sleep off the hangover. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/166 "2020-11-23T16:15:20Z")
Does meth cause hangovers? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/167 "2020-11-23T16:22:56Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > They want a democracy with a reliable go-to base of voters that has disproportionate power over the opposition. Now, the question is, how do they build a system in which that is possible? How can you build a system in which you can identify _your_ voters, and _their_ voters? Easy - target black and brown voters. They know where they live, so they’d be easy to target. They’re doing it now, but they will triple and quadruple down on that if they are in power long enough. Illiberal democracy will be a terrible time for black and brown voters. And the thing is, in the USA _this was already done before_ and yes things were bad if you were one of the “wrong” people. A whole bloc of states functioned under overt illiberal democracy based on “populism” for the “right” people and everyoine else knowing their place, until the 1960s. The advocates of that policy back when called themselves “Southern Democrats”, then over the past three generations renamed themselves as “Values Conservatives” and now as MAGAs. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/168 "2020-11-23T16:34:03Z")
Hey now, most of them just abuse opiates. No need to paint with a broad brush. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/169 "2020-11-23T16:36:28Z")
An increasingly partisan conservative Court, including Roberts, has ruled in favor of voting restrictions, so this idea that the Constitution gives states power to curtail voting already has strong support in the Courts. It’s a question of where the Court decides the limits are. That is one reason why I am not 100% convinced that the Court would object to the idea that legislatures could single-handedly overturn an election. Yes, it seems like an insane idea on the surface. Yes, it would seem to fly in the face of what the Court has ruled in the past. But you cannot rule the possibility out. Not with this court, you can’t. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/170 "2020-11-23T16:39:52Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Yes, it seems like an insane idea on the surface. Yes, it would seem to fly in the face of what the Court has ruled in the past. But you cannot rule the possibility out. Not with this court, you can’t Well, that and the fact US Code says a legislature can do that. You can of course make many legal counterarguments, but if the Republicans on the USSC have that law to hang a decision on, at least four of them will do exactly that. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/171 "2020-11-23T16:55:23Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Yeah, c’mon guys. It’s an _attempted_ coup by the governing party, not a completed one. That doesn’t make it either OK or inconsequential. The entire structure of the USA depends on the country, including the losers, accepting the results of elections – allowing for recounts of genuinely close cases, and for investigations of genuine fraud, but accepting the results of those also. Those refusing to do so, and those in positions of power who are encouraging that refusal, are risking bringing the whole thing down. It is utterly reprehensible behavior, and it needs to be called out as such. > [@asahi](#): > > places where democracies have given way to illiberal democracy (and eventually authoritarianism). It doesn’t happen all at once - they are eventually undermined and weakened to the point where they eventually fail. Yup. They’re not going to pull it off this time; they didn’t have long enough to edge enough people, step by step, into seeing the unthinkable as normal. But what they can do is sow the seeds for another time. And ‘oh, it’s no big deal, it’s just an attempted coup by the POTUS’ is one of those seeds. Don’t spread it. > [@Deeg](#): > > The Republican establishment is trying to walk a fine line between supporting Trump’s madness and getting through this without losing the Trumpists. That line’s too fine to stand on. And it keeps moving further out. That’s exactly how people wind up, bit by bit, supporting things they’d have been publicly disgusted by a few years previously. > [@MandaJo](#): > > individual Republicans may not be in favor of this, may think its madness, but they can’t speak up because they are terrified, because they don’t have the power to speak out they aren’t humoring the Trumpists, they are ceding to them. They don’t know how this is going to play out, not for sure, so they don’t want to take a stand and be on the losing side. And that’s the other thing that happens. Silence, against tyranny, breeds more silence. Because some are afraid to speak up, others become afraid to speak up. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/172 "2020-11-23T17:06:24Z")
Consider the impact that this has not only on the presidency, but on Congress. I think to pretend that more people won’t run under the QAnon (or whatever) banner is just naive - they absolutely will fly that flag. And like the Nazis, they will force people in the party to take a stand, to stand with them or get cut out of the party’s ecosystem - that means getting shoved aside when it comes to being part of the party going forward. Imagine what working with a growing QAnon faction would be like. They will disrupt and do everything that they can to make Biden and Democrats appear ineffectual. They did this in both Obama’s and Clinton’s first two years - they are really, really good at this. And when they get a House and Senate majority, they could attempt to impeach Biden - as a way of getting even for the “hoax”. Meanwhile, the economic situation is very likely to deteriorate in the short-term, which will put much of the country in a very sour mood. It’s precisely the kind of situation that favors an authoritarian takeover. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/173 "2020-11-23T17:12:55Z")
I love that the one fucker claims Trump didn’t urge them to “break the law” or “interfere w/ the election” - tho he declined to say what they DID discuss. I’m sure Trump just wanted to discuss the newest season of The Crown w/ these 2 nobodies from bumblefuck! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/174 "2020-11-23T17:37:15Z")
Trump didn’t have to urge them or ask them to do anything: they walked in and _volunteered_ their help. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/175 "2020-11-23T18:08:05Z")
You can watch the Michigan Canvassing Board meeting here, starting any minute: [Michigan Board of State Canvassers - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDuQquoM4sQ&fbclid=IwAR1ce1ATENkpvkLYAknDyASqTu1YnmogpCb9ZyfQxZcAU2ZRF_866wynyL8) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/176 "2020-11-23T18:08:12Z")
If you’d like to watch the Board of Canvassers meeting live, [here’s a link.](https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/23/will-michigan-certify-election-results/6388530002/) Looks like they’re a little slow getting started. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/177 "2020-11-23T18:11:24Z")
It’s started. They’ll be voting any minute. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/178 "2020-11-23T18:12:31Z")
Minutes from October are approved. Onto the second item on the agenda: Certifying the results. Here we go. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/179 "2020-11-23T18:15:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s started. They’ll be voting any minute. Norm Shinkle is the one guy in the room not wearing a mask. What a douche. Elections director, Jonathan Brater, could use some proper mask wearing tips as well. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mi-gop-leaders-meeting-with-trump/926060/180 "2020-11-23T18:17:05Z")
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