# Michael Flynn's Shining City on the Hill - For Christians Only **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 15, 2021, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397 "2021-11-15T16:09:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/341 "2021-12-14T01:07:58Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > You think “strong religious conviction” is synonymous with integrity and morality? Do the names “Jim Bakker” and “Jimmy Swaggert” ring a bell? > [@Miller](#): > > Strong religious conviction crashed two jets into the World Trade Center. No, no I assure you that Bakker, Swaggert and the 9/11 terrorists were not _True_ Scotsmen ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/342 "2021-12-14T03:54:01Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > Hatred of anything Trump is no excuse for thinking and acting like peasants. Peasants? What are you, some kind of feudalist? You realize this country fought a war to become independent of feudalists, don’t you? That’s known as “history.” You know, that thing we’ll repeat if we don’t learn. You obviously value opinion over facts, which’ll stunt your growth worse than cigarettes. Dismissing facts is bad enough. Redefining them as CNN-inspired fake news or “gotcha” games on our part leads to QAnon raids on the capital. That makes you both a feudalist and an anarchist. You like them extremes, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/343 "2021-12-14T04:38:22Z")
The thing about Dunning Kruger is that it works even at a meta level. That is, stupid people don’t recognise that they are stupid, and even if you explain the Dunning Kruger effect they don’t recognise that they don’t recognise that they are stupid. You’re wasting your time. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/344 "2021-12-14T05:27:54Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > There is no debate that America will only survive and prosper as long as the people have the qualities of integrity and morality **as defined by strong religious conviction.** There’s plenty of debate, since “strong religious conviction” is not required to have integrity or ethics (or morality). You only think it does because that’s what you want to be true, and you want to use that position to force others into following your beliefs whether they want to or not. I’ve watched this thread for a bit, wondering if this person would actually answer a question straight or provide support for his statements or even show a bit of rationality. Alll he’s shown is rationalization ability. Feh. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/345 "2021-12-14T08:13:13Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > You’re wasting your time. I don’t think its entirely a waste of time. Yes there is no chance that he can actually be convinced to engage in rational debate, but for some poking a troll is fun and so for them this thread has entertainment value. For the rest of us, it keeps him occupied in this thread so that he won’t infect the rest of the board. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/346 "2021-12-14T09:29:15Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > I’ll help you out by pasting in the lines that apply: I literally posted the entire relevant text of the speech verbatim with no excerpting or redaction back in post 113. But I understand your desperate need to keep lying about us in order to avoid facing the truth about yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/347 "2021-12-14T12:32:18Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > they don’t recognise that they are stupid Out of curiosity, how does one recognize that they are stupid? Or smart, for that matter? ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/348 "2021-12-14T12:53:19Z")
No one way. But inability to engage in joined up reasoning is a clue, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/349 "2021-12-14T12:55:53Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > But inability to engage in joined up reasoning is a clue, IMHO. Or perhaps inability to engage in joined up reasoning that is supported by evidence and facts, anyway? Because if someone thinks that Q is “reasoning”… 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/350 "2021-12-14T13:37:56Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > You can read the article same as I did, only I don’t need to have it spoon fed to me. Bearing false witness is a sin, buckaroo. ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/351 "2021-12-14T17:27:24Z")
Obvioustroll is obvious. Even fails at the occasionally provocative entertaining posts from certain eight legged posters, canadian observers, and people who like to name themselves after late 80s tv heroes. Too predictable. Only question i might have is if WW happened to be in DC in the afternoon on Jan 6 2021. Seems the type. Real question if anyone knows: Someone mentioned Polycarp earlier in the thread. I used to LOVE reading Poly’s posts. Did he just stop? Does anyone know what happened with him? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/352 "2021-12-14T17:31:00Z")
> [@Jihi](#): > > Real question if anyone knows: Someone mentioned Polycarp earlier in the thread. I used to LOVE reading Poly’s posts. Did he just stop? Does anyone know what happened with him? I mostly recall because his name came up in another thread recently. He passed away in 2013; his wife posted about his passing, using his screenname, in this thread: > [@to anyone who is interested.... \[RIP Polycarp\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-anyone-who-is-interested-rip-polycarp/673200): > > Hi, everyone. This is “Mrs. Carp” (Polycarp’s wife).I thought some of those he was close to might like to know, he passed away at WakeMed Hospital at 5:50 (est)this evening after a prolonged, unknown illness. He was taken to t he emergency room at approximately 7:45 Sunday evening and never regained consciousness. They put him on life support, and at my request, pulled the plug at 3:15 this afternoon. If anyone would like more information we are listed under David Wilbur in Zebulon, NC. ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/353 "2021-12-14T17:37:59Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > I mostly recall because his name came up in another thread recently. He passed away in 2013; his wife posted about his passing, using his screenname, in this thread: Wow. I completely missed this at the time. Thank you @kenobi_65. I think i have some reading to go do. ---
**Author:** ![webwarrior](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/webwarrior/32/9529_2.png) [@webwarrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/webwarrior)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/354 "2021-12-14T18:12:34Z")
Punishable by stoning or beheading, Cervaise? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/355 "2021-12-14T21:41:20Z")
I see, LARPing as a Christian are you? ---
**Author:** ![webwarrior](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/webwarrior/32/9529_2.png) [@webwarrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/webwarrior)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/356 "2021-12-14T22:11:42Z")
Peasants are OK until someone comes along and convinces them to take up their pitchforks and make the world right again. Then I do have a problem. That’s why I support public education. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/357 "2021-12-14T22:17:30Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > Peasants are OK until someone comes along and convinces them to take up their pitchforks and make the world right again. If you were actually a fan of education, you’d understand how absolutely terrible this makes you sound. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/358 "2021-12-14T22:23:59Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > If you were actually a fan of education, you’d understand how absolutely terrible this makes you sound. If he is a troll, he fully understands how this post(and most of his previous posts) makes him sound. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/359 "2021-12-14T22:50:42Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > If you were actually a fan of education, you’d understand how absolutely terrible this makes you sound. Yeah, the notion that uneducated peasants are the ones responsible for unlawful violence, because they’ve credulously fallen for some nefarious “someone” “convincing” them to “make the world right again”, does rather reek of elitist class-warfare antagonism. Basically, anybody referring unironically to “peasants” in a modern developed society is indulging in elitist class-warfare antagonism. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2021, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/360 "2021-12-14T22:53:32Z")
Hmmm I would just call them an asshole and be done with it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397.md?page=19)