# Michael Flynn's Shining City on the Hill - For Christians Only **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 15, 2021, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397 "2021-11-15T16:09:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/61 "2021-12-01T00:06:23Z")
By that reading, then we must conclude, much to our surprise, that Michael Flynn is a secret Jew! Because, if we’re using the logic in that . . . article, then Jews, Christians, and Moslems worship distinct ‘Gods’. And since “Judeo-Christian” ethos derive from the 10 Commandments, which even the most out there Christians recognize is Old Testament, then, in the immortal words of Rowan Atkinson: [“I’m afraid the Jews were right.”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikmDRs98UH0) So, @webwarrior, when are you planning on converting? ---
**Author:** ![webwarrior](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/webwarrior/32/9529_2.png) [@webwarrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/webwarrior)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/62 "2021-12-01T00:07:28Z")
I’m not throwing anything around. I’m quoting General Flynn directly. I know exactly what he is talking about and exactly what he means. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/63 "2021-12-01T00:08:22Z")
So you know exactly what he is talking about. You are him? You may wish to update your profile. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/64 "2021-12-01T00:08:33Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > I’m not throwing anything around. I’m quoting General Flynn directly. So? > [@webwarrior](#): > > I know exactly what he is talking about and exactly what he means. Yeah, so do I. He means “Christians.” ---
**Author:** ![webwarrior](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/webwarrior/32/9529_2.png) [@webwarrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/webwarrior)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/65 "2021-12-01T00:10:12Z")
If you mean white right wing Christians, why don’t you just say it? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/66 "2021-12-01T00:31:45Z")
Because it was obvious from context? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/67 "2021-12-01T00:36:34Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > By the — uh, _reasoning_ — on that site, Christians presumably aren’t worshipping the same deity that Jews do, either. Exactly. Quoting from that site: > [@](#): > > Allah cannot be the Christian’s God, because the God of the Bible definitely has a Son. As far as I know, followers of Judaism don’t believe that God had a son, either. (I’ve also read statements by Christians that Jews and Muslims do _not_ worship the Christian God, since the Christian God consists of the Trinity, which the other two faiths do not recognize.) Again, then, “Judeo-Christian” is _not_ “one religion.” ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/68 "2021-12-01T00:51:54Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > “Judeo-Christian” is _not_ “one religion.” Indeed. It refers to cultural/philosophical commonalities in the Western Tradition but most definitely _ **not** _ to “one religion”(\*). And what Flynn said at the Texas ReAwaken America event was “one **religion** ”, _not_ “one god”. (\*At its most benign, you can mean “those ethical/philosophical values in Western Civ that both Jews and Christians can agree on”… and it still leaves some serious gaps to fill.) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/69 "2021-12-01T01:30:42Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > To clarify, while you and your friends on this thread are _“pretty darned sure…he was talking about … Christianity”_ the quote I found on wordandway makes it clear that General Flynn was referring to the religion of the Judeo-Christian God of Abraham. There is no such religion. IF there is, could you please tell us what sect most closely represents it? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/70 "2021-12-01T01:52:21Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > Allah is not Jehovah. > [Is Allah the same as God?](https://amazingdiscoveries.org/blog/allah-god-jehovah/) > You guys are making things way more complicated than they need to be. Welcome to CNN, Mr. Flynn. Are you actually using “Amazing Discoveries” as a cite?? What a maroon. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![webwarrior](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/webwarrior/32/9529_2.png) [@webwarrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/webwarrior)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/71 "2021-12-01T02:38:07Z")
What was obvious? Your bias or your agenda? Or both? ---
**Author:** ![webwarrior](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/webwarrior/32/9529_2.png) [@webwarrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/webwarrior)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/72 "2021-12-01T02:39:22Z")
I’d be embarrassed to admit I didn’t know it, if I didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/73 "2021-12-01T02:42:20Z")
I’m sure that makes perfect sense in your head. More’s the pity. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/74 "2021-12-01T03:40:09Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > What was obvious? Your bias or your agenda? Or both? – waits for webwarrior to explode due to the irony inherent in his statements and posts and realizes said warrior is too damn dense to explode – You realize that: 1. You still haven’t even provided any evidence for your own argument about what MF thinks, despite repeated requests, other than ‘you know what he thinks’. Again, unless you are the person in question (or some sort of tiny person that pilots a Michael Flynn suit), that’s self-evidently false. 2. You have made assertations about who is and who is not ‘God’ which fall apart under the most basic rational, Biblical, and scholarly arguments, yet move onto non-sensical one liners rather than try to provide a reasoned argument. 3. Your own sources are REPLETE with bias, yet you dismiss other sources, which are at least verifiable, non-opinion pieces as ‘False news’. Which, let’s be honest, is pretty much proof positive of your own bias and agenda. Right now, you’re making whatever you consider your ‘own side’ is to look like sophomoric loons, to be pitied as incapable of the most basic debate skills, and verging on Trollish due to your inability or unwillingness to support your own assertations of ‘fact’. I don’t know what you think you’re doing in this thread, or this board, but winning hearts and minds certainly isn’t in the cards with this degree of skill. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/75 "2021-12-01T04:17:29Z")
I read a very sad article once about a Protestant woman in Northern Ireland who was a shining star in the movement to integrate Catholics and Protestants on the entirely worthy principle that if they were physically integrated rather than being separated into their own enclaves, they would be forced to see one another’s humanity and prejudice would be broken down. This woman was a chief organiser of committees and lobbying efforts in this respect. Then it was suggested that a Catholic family move into her own block of flats (apartments). After making excuse after excuse about why they shouldn’t move in, she was finally cornered and could think of no more excuses, broke down and said in public there was “no way she was having any dirty Catholics in her building”. The United States was a nation built on beautiful ideals. What’s happening now is that a certain body of white Christians - who have been pretending to agree with those ideals for centuries - have got cornered and are having to admit what they really thought all along. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/76 "2021-12-01T04:18:26Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > I’m not throwing anything around. I’m quoting General Flynn directly. > I know exactly what he is talking about and exactly what he means. That he’s a smelly sack of shit that even the flies complain about? Well, perhaps you are personally familiar at that. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/77 "2021-12-01T04:40:39Z")
As to **webwarrior** , he’s just another blow-in who hasn’t yet figured out that this place works on a bedrock of well cited facts and logic. He will probably shortly either leave quietly, or flame out spectacularly when the cognitive dissonance gets too much. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/78 "2021-12-01T05:12:12Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > this place works on a bedrock of well cited facts and logic. Well, I don’t know about _that_… ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/79 "2021-12-01T05:14:09Z")
There is a lot of soft stuff above the bedrock. But facts and logic are key values. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/80 "2021-12-01T09:48:59Z")
I do love the Harry-Potteresque logic of assuming that just uttering the word “CNN!” magically converts facts into non-facts and your incoherent argument into unassailable reason. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397.md?page=5)