# Michael Flynn's Shining City on the Hill - For Christians Only **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 15, 2021, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397 "2021-11-15T16:09:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![webwarrior](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/webwarrior/32/9529_2.png) [@webwarrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/webwarrior)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/81 "2021-12-01T10:37:45Z")
I already knew that discussion with leftists is futile. My error was interpreting the term dope in the sense of information or lowdown. The instance here is simple. Fake news sits back and takes notes until it has what it considers something it can build a rant from a self proclaimed high moral ground. No one with any sense pays any attention to an echo chamber, but, of course, that’s not the point. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/82 "2021-12-01T10:49:12Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > I already knew that discussion with leftists is futile. I’m pretty far to the right on plenty of topics, but I still figure that what your cite says about Islam would likewise wall the Christian deity off from, y’know, Judaism. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/83 "2021-12-01T10:52:05Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > I already knew that discussion with leftists is futile. If by “discussion” you meant “convert them to my way of thinking” yep, that usually is futile if you go into a discussion with that agenda. Sorry if your time here results in you discovering that not everyone here is an American and that people who live in the same world as you might draw a different conclusion about the solution to a given problem. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/84 "2021-12-01T10:54:08Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > I already knew that discussion with leftists is futile. It’s certainly futile if you refuse to discuss anything in good faith. Elsewhere you dismissed data taken directly from the FBI as “CNN!” and demanded that we “take the red pill”. In fact, you have repeatedly dismissed any information that disagreed with your own tiny echo chamber as “fake news”, not because you could offer up a compelling counterargument - or indeed _any_ counterargument - but because you simply didn’t want it to be true. But of course coming here to have a good-faith debate was “not the point”, now, was it? You came here to play [pigeon chess](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pigeon_chess). And now despite your repeated arguments-by-assertion failing to stand up to the slightest scrutiny, you’re declaring victory. No surprises there. The “point” is not remotely that we’re “leftist” and you’re not (indeed, we’re not even all left-wing). The point is that we can back up our arguments with substantial, actual evidence and you can’t. But keep shouting “Fake news!” and pretending that it means anything. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/85 "2021-12-01T11:04:55Z")
**webwarrior** , you lying, disingenuous piece of crap, please explain what religion Michael Flynn meant when he said “one religion.” While you’re at it, please provide a cite for your claim in the other thread that crime has been going up since 2008. You know, lying is pretty frowned upon in most religions. Being purposely obtuse and full of bullshit probably isn’t, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/86 "2021-12-01T11:32:21Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > I already knew that discussion with leftists is futile. At least around here you have to know how to do it. You need to produce cites for contested facts from objective sources. You need to dismiss other people’s cites on grounds rather more convincing than you have. And you need to show joined up reasoning. There is no evidence you have the skills. ---
**Author:** ![webwarrior](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/webwarrior/32/9529_2.png) [@webwarrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/webwarrior)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/87 "2021-12-01T14:28:05Z")
_Methinks thou doest protesteth too much._ (Queen Gertrude in Hamlet) ---
**Author:** ![webwarrior](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/webwarrior/32/9529_2.png) [@webwarrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/webwarrior)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/88 "2021-12-01T14:31:54Z")
Catholic, Protestant, and Jewish. One nation, under God. Christians are the most loyal supporters of Israel. Now then, Ritter Sport, welcome to my “ignore” list. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/89 "2021-12-01T14:35:23Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > _Methinks thou doest protesteth too much._ > (Queen Gertrude in Hamlet) And yet you’re even wrong about this one. I assume you’ll blame CNN for it. Also, Judaism and Christianity remain two distinct religions (albeit both Abrahamic, as is Islam). ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/90 "2021-12-01T14:41:27Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > Now then, Ritter Sport, welcome to my “ignore” list. Woo hoo! Bite me, short timer! Anyway, please proved a cite that Catholic, Protestant, and Jewish are the same religion, let alone one nation. I think you’ll have a hard time doing that. I don’t see how you can include those without including Islam. But, whatever, I’m invisible anyway. Enjoy your brief stay before your inevitable banning. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/91 "2021-12-01T14:42:39Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > Christians are the most loyal supporters of Israel. Leave us the fuck out of this, asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/92 "2021-12-01T14:46:09Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Anyway, please proved a cite that Catholic, Protestant, and Jewish are the same religion, let alone one nation. I think you’ll have a hard time doing that. What if they all walk into a bar together? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/93 "2021-12-01T14:46:14Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > Catholic, Protestant, and Jewish. One nation, under God. Hey look at that! Just about everybody but Islam. Go figure, am I right? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/94 "2021-12-01T14:47:30Z")
I should have added “bigot” to my “lying, disingenuous” description, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/95 "2021-12-01T14:48:21Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > > [@webwarrior](#): > > > > Catholic, Protestant, and Jewish. One nation, under God. > > Hey look at that! Just about everybody but Islam. Go figure, am I right? Well, there are some billion of us who don’t fall under the Abrahamic faiths. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/96 "2021-12-01T14:49:35Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > I should have added “bigot” to my “lying, disingenuous” description, I guess. I’ve quoted this for you, in case your post wasn’t visible to all. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/97 "2021-12-01T14:51:01Z")
I’m not talking about the world, I’m talking about Michael Flynn’s god damn 'Murica! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/98 "2021-12-01T14:51:39Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Well, there are some billion of us who don’t fall under the Abrahamic faiths. And even among Abrahamic faiths, Judaism has far, far fewer adherents than Islam. Basically, for some people Judaism is to Christianity as Liechtenstein is to Switzerland - sure, it’s technically separate but it take less mental effort to just lump the two together and pretend they’re the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/99 "2021-12-01T15:02:53Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Liechtenstein is to Switzerland - sure, it’s technically separate but it take less mental effort to just lump the two together and pretend they’re the same thing. Obviously a hijack-but do people really do this? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2021, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397/100 "2021-12-01T15:19:39Z")
> [@webwarrior](#): > > Now then, Ritter Sport, welcome to my “ignore” list. If you do this with everybody who disagrees with you, you may as well flag the entire board. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-flynns-shining-city-on-the-hill-for-christians-only/954397.md?page=6)