# Michael Jackson never got it. On a different note, neither Uri Geller. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2003, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023 "2003-11-19T02:01:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2003, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023/101 "2003-11-21T16:50:48Z")
> [@](#): > > The whole pedophile profile MO thing is pretty damning. That’s the thing. Proving that someone is a serial arsonist and proving that they burned down a specific building are two different things. From what I’ve seen, Michael is almost certainly a pedophile. However, he may not necessarily be guilty in this instance. However, if he is, I expect we’ll find out fairly quickly. He doesn’t seem to be the type to have a master plan to conceal all evidence. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2003, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023/102 "2003-11-21T17:04:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*The family didn’t go to the cops the kid’s shrink did…and there isn’t any civil suit either. > > BTW if Jackson doesn’t want to be a target, then maybe he should quit sleeping with little boys. \*\* Oh, I’d be really skeptical of the claims now, the kid’s shrink??? Yeah, this is looking pretty bogus. [Check out this child sexual abuse fiasco](http://www.welfareacademy.org/pubs/childabuse-0290.cfm) ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2003, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023/103 "2003-11-21T17:09:35Z")
Right now, I _could_ sit on a jury that would try any Jackson case. I honestly think: 1) He’s a pedophile. 2) He just acts exactly like a pedophile. 3) OR, Both 1 & 2 1. OR, none of the above, he’s actually innocent. If so, he is the least innocent acting man in recorded human history. So, he would be the perfect target for people that are willing to risk get their children molested in order to acquire some money. Correct me if I’m wrong, but he is an adult male older than myself that has sleepovers with children. Parents that now claim “What, he’s a pedophile?! We want (X million) dollars” 😕 – after his history – should all go straight to jail. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2003, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023/104 "2003-11-21T17:28:17Z")
I’d have to see if this particular “professional” forced this out of the accuser the way the McMartin “expert” did. That became the textbook for how _not_ to question children among smarter professionals. For one thing, “children don’t lie.” Since when? She would get angry if the children didn’t tell her what she wanted to hear. I remain ever optimistic that this particular “expert” will be a true “professional.” :dubious: I don’t know anything yet, really. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2003, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023/105 "2003-11-21T17:33:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mske \* > \*\*Have you seen his booking sheet? 5’11" and 120lbs? Someone get that man a sandwich… \*\* I was just about to say that. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2003, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023/106 "2003-11-21T17:35:10Z")
Well, the accuser may or not be reliable, but the Santa Barbara Sheriff’s Office must have found something damning enough for them to arrest MJ again. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2003, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023/107 "2003-11-21T17:49:49Z")
I guess that settles it. Billy Jean wasn’t his lover, and the kid wasn’t his son. ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2003, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023/108 "2003-11-21T18:08:56Z")
What about Billy and Jean, or their kids? Won’t somebody think of the children? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2003, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023/109 "2003-11-21T18:15:47Z")
What was the deal when he was married to Lisa Marie-I heard that she never let her kids around him for long periods of time. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2003, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023/110 "2003-11-21T18:20:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TwistofFate \* > \*\*I guess that settles it. Billy Jean wasn’t his lover, and the kid wasn’t his son. \*\* 'Course, he never said a thing about the son not being his lover. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2003, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023/111 "2003-11-21T22:20:52Z")
ewwwwwwwwwwww (deep breath) **ewwwwwwwwwwwww** ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2003, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023/112 "2003-11-22T04:32:51Z")
There has to be a “Billy’s jeans” joke in this somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Astroglide](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6de8d8/32.png) [@Astroglide](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astroglide)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2003, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023/113 "2003-11-22T06:24:26Z")
I don’t know about a billy jean joke, but i’ll share my favorite MJ joke: Q:What’s the difference between Neil Armstrong and Michael Jackson? A:Neil Armstrong was the first man to _walk_ on the _moon_, and Michael Jackson…fucks little boys! ---
**Author:** ![sunfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sunfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sunfish)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2003, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023/114 "2003-11-22T12:50:50Z")
Oh **Astroglide** , you need a snappier line than that. How’s this instead: Did you hear that Michael Jackson rushed to the sale at Macy’s? He heard that boys’ pants were half off. It’s screamingly obvious that the man is unwell, and has been for years. Were it not for these charges, I think MJ would just have continued to morph into the Howard Hughes of our time, but I really don’t think he’ll be able to recover this time out. It should be a relief to everyone around him to see the weirdness come to an end. One thing: I can sort of understand [his family leaping to MJ’s defense,](http://edition.cnn.com/2003/LAW/11/21/jackson/index.html) as I suspect most of them would not be getting by financially without him (although he himself has huge debt). But who on Earth ARE the “screaming fans” that met him in Las Vegas when he returned after posting bail?? They must be among the 13,000 or so shocked at the charges. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023/115 "2003-11-23T00:19:50Z")
There are still some saying they trust him completely and would let their kids hang out. Because Michael isn’t weird and freakish. He’s special and misunderstood. :rolleyes: Hell, now he and and his lawyers are trying to say that it’s because the kid’s parents are getting a divorce and they’re trying to drag him into it or whatever. Yeah, sure. ---
**Author:** ![Caffeine.addict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@Caffeine.addict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caffeine.addict)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023/116 "2003-11-23T03:41:26Z")
Here’s my take on what will happen. His lawyers are going to fight this thing hard at first. They will try to get evidence supressed, and they will try to get the charges dismissed, all the while claiming their client’s complete innocence. After this hasn’t worked, they will move on to phase 2. They will try to claim that he is not guilty by reason of insanity. I have no idea what the standard is for California but I suspect that it is something along the lines of they have to prove that he is incapable of distinguishing between right or wrong. They will put his entire life on the stand. This will create such a media feeding frenzy that the Petersen case will finally be off the radar. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023/117 "2003-11-23T04:05:09Z")
Maybe this kid is confusing his treatment that he received at the hands of his father with that he got from Michael Jackson. [From this link](http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mjaccuser1.html) > [@](#): > > The 13-year-old boy’s father was arrested last year on a variety of child abuse charges, including counts alleging that the man, a 37-year-old supermarket employee, may have “endangered” his son’s health through “cruel and inhuman corporal punishment” that resulted in “a traumatic condition.” The boy’s father pleaded no contest last year to a single misdemeanor charge of willful cruelty to a child (he finished a court-ordered parenting class, according to a January 2003 court progress report). Below you’ll find the misdemeanor complaint filed against the man, whose name (and those of his children) we’ve redacted to protect the identity of Jackson’s alleged victim. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023/118 "2003-11-23T04:09:26Z")
It says nothing about his dad molesting him, though. Give it up, **Phil**. I am so sick and tired of people trying to make excuses for the guy. Innocent until proven guilty is one thing. Making it seem like he’s this poor perpetual victim is not. ---
**Author:** ![look\_ninjas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b2d939/32.png) [@look\_ninjas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/look_ninjas)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023/119 "2003-11-23T04:50:11Z")
According to [this](http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1480559/11202003/jackson_michael.jhtml), Michael’s attorney is also defending Scott Peterson. Busy fellow. Didn’t he once claim to have proof that Laci Peterson was murdered by Satanists? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023/120 "2003-11-23T06:19:40Z")
Just to add another thought about **Phil’s** link: Kids who have a prior history of abuse and/or neglect at home can be perfect victims for pedophiles who seem to show them attention and love. It’s right in line with the profile for pedophiles to seek those kinds of kids out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jackson-never-got-it-on-a-different-note-neither-uri-geller/214023.md?page=7)