# Michael Jackson's father, Joe Jackson, shows his sincere grief by attending the BET awards gala **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 29, 2009, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301 "2009-06-29T00:55:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301/41 "2009-06-29T16:21:01Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > Becaue I know MJ was so limited in his chikdhood that he never knew what it was to be a kid. Probably true, but doesn’t preclude him from molesting children. We don’t know. [Modding]Tontines between members are probably prohibited by the Registration Agreement, so if we ever do find out for sure, neither you nor **Diogenes the Cynic** should try to collect on the bets of each other’s life.[/Modding] ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301/42 "2009-06-29T16:25:35Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Nooooo, that’s ignorant! You win the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abby_Emma_Sasha)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301/43 "2009-06-29T16:33:07Z")
Maureen Orth, Diane Dimond and others have an agenda, I guess. They want to see MJ fail. They got their wish, eh? Well, Foofooforah for them. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abby_Emma_Sasha)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301/44 "2009-06-29T16:35:57Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > You win the internet. Yes, they win the internets for being ignorant and stupid. Yay for you. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301/45 "2009-06-29T16:48:49Z")
> [@Hippy\_Hollow](#): > > Also, keep in mind that there are 8 or 9 Jackson children. Michael was the most talented, but by all accounts most mercurial and held the cards once they got famous, when Joe was replaced by the Motown apparatus. So they were estranged at best, and likely hated each other. Joe likely saw MJ as a commodity from an early age, and that hasn’t changed. I don’t know about that – I think Janet’s actually better, but it seems Joe never really gave her as much shit as he did Michael. God, not so much as, “my baby boy is gone.” Father of the year. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301/46 "2009-06-29T16:52:00Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > Maureen Orth, Diane Dimond and others have an agenda, I guess. They want to see MJ fail. They got their wish, eh? Well, Foofooforah for them. Nice. So anyone who speaks out against him has an agenda or is ignorant, etc. And anyone who believes in him knows the truth. Okay. In all honesty, is there anything bad you’d believe against him? Because even great, wonderful, saintly people have been known to make mistakes and do awful things. Or is everything dismissed as vicious, vicious lies against him? ---
**Author:** ![lorene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@lorene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorene)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301/47 "2009-06-29T17:00:24Z")
One thing I can say with certainty is that many people who do abuse children get away with it precisely because of the whole “but so-and-so” would _ **never** _ do that. Look at how many young children Catholic priests were able to abuse, all because _a man of the cloth would never do such a thing_. ---
**Author:** ![Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abby_Emma_Sasha)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301/48 "2009-06-29T17:07:12Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > So anyone who speaks out against him has an agenda or is ignorant, etc. And anyone who believes in him knows the truth. Okay. > > In all honesty, is there anything bad you’d believe against him? Because even great, wonderful, saintly people have been known to make mistakes and do awful things. Or is everything dismissed as vicious, vicious lies against him? Oh honey yes I do believe MJ was inappropriate(don;t badger me about spelling, i don’t care) but i don;t believe he was ever illegal. For Christ sakes do you really believe MJ was a pedo? Bitch, please. Reslly. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301/49 "2009-06-29T17:13:20Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > Yes, they win the internets for being ignorant and stupid. Yay for you. Um, it was a joke from South Park I was laughing at, I don’t have a dog in your fight. Take the stick out of your ass, thanks. (And just so we’re clear: I don’t think he did it either. Doesn’t mean I can’t laugh at a funny comedy show and a joke from it.) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301/50 "2009-06-29T17:18:51Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > For Christ sakes do you really believe MJ was a pedo? Bitch, please. Reslly. I think that’s enough. I’m not issuing a warning, but you need to tone down the hostility. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301/51 "2009-06-29T17:24:16Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > Oh honey yes I do believe MJ was inappropriate(don;t badger me about spelling, i don’t care) but i don;t believe he was ever illegal. For Christ sakes do you really believe MJ was a pedo? Bitch, please. Reslly. Neither of us can say with any certainty what he is or isn’t. Do I know for sure he was a pedophile? No. I do strongly suspect based on the fact that he has admitted to sleeping with children in his bed, the physical closeness between himself and Gavin Arvizo in the Bashir interview, the fact that he associates not with children in general but specifically 10-13 year old males who he tends to drop when they get older, and the fact that the boys he goes for tend to have little financial resources/lots of dysfunction. I just personally don’t think it looks all that good. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301/52 "2009-06-29T17:35:45Z")
Is it ever possible to bring up Michael Jackson without drudging up the pedo stuff. ( It is difficult, I know. But maybe, just this once stick to the discussion of Joe Jackson or the Jackson Family.) ---
**Author:** ![Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abby_Emma_Sasha)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301/53 "2009-06-29T17:39:29Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Neither of us can say with any certainty what he is or isn’t. Do I know for sure he was a pedophile? No. I do strongly suspect based on the fact that he has admitted to sleeping with children in his bed, the physical closeness between himself and Gavin Arvizo in the Bashir interview, the fact that he associates not with children in general but specifically 10-13 year old males who he tends to drop when they get older, and the fact that the boys he goes for tend to have little financial resources/lots of dysfunction. I just personally don’t think it looks all that good. Yeah well, see, I thhink Gavin nd his mother saw a golden goose and proffered somenomeny there \ **Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301/54 "2009-06-29T17:45:15Z") And now, according to CNN, Jackson’s parents are going to get custody of the kids. Poor kids. StG ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301/55 "2009-06-29T17:49:17Z")
> [@StGermain](#): > > And now, according to CNN, Jackson’s parents are going to get custody of the kids. Poor kids. > > StG His mother and father have been separated for years since he cheated on her. I think the reason they haven’t divorced is that she is a very devout JH and probably doesn’t believe in divorce. He lives in Vegas, she in California with the rest of the family. I sincerely doubt Joe will be around the kids much of at all, if ever. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301/56 "2009-06-29T17:54:08Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > His mother and father have been separated for years since he cheated on her. I think the reason they haven’t divorced is that she is a very devout JH and probably doesn’t believe in divorce. He lives in Vegas, she in California with the rest of the family. I sincerely doubt Joe will be around the kids much of at all, if ever. And she seems like a fairly normal individual. Compared to some of the others who could have custody of the children, that is. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301/57 "2009-06-29T17:54:27Z")
Speaking of kids and family, has LaToya been seen yet? How do we know she wasn’t the one that died? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301/58 "2009-06-29T18:01:34Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > Oh honey yes I do believe MJ was inappropriate(don;t badger me about spelling, i don’t care) but i don;t believe he was ever illegal. For Christ sakes do you really believe MJ was a pedo? Bitch, please. Reslly. I’ve just read the entire thread, and I’m not sure if it’s been mentioned yet, but your spelling is not great. You might want to give it some thought, if you haven’t yet. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301/59 "2009-06-29T18:12:07Z")
> [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](#): > > Maureen Orth, Diane Dimond and others have an agenda, I guess. They want to see MJ fail. They got their wish, eh? Well, Foofooforah for them. Nice. Just out of curiosity, why do they “want to see him fail?” ---
**Author:** ![Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e68b1a/32.png) [@Abby\_Emma\_Sasha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abby_Emma_Sasha)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2009, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301/60 "2009-06-29T18:36:06Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Just out of curiosity, why do they “want to see him fail?” Because he’s the golden goose. He;s easy. He bringgs a lotof this on himself. he’s a freak, but he is not a chikd molestor. Stop, I nam not in any way able to do thisd noe. Lster. Lster. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-jacksons-father-joe-jackson-shows-his-sincere-grief-by-attending-the-bet-awards-gala/501301.md?page=4)