# Michael Moore = ass. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 24, 2003, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688 "2003-03-24T03:16:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![HoldenCaulfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/22d042/32.png) [@HoldenCaulfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoldenCaulfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/221 "2003-03-25T00:23:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > \*\*WTF did you people expect Micheal Moore to do when he won? I’d be pitting him if he DIDN’T go off on the president! And why aren’t you all outraged that someone who drugs teenagers then rapes them wins an award? is that less wrong than Moore being Moore? You people need to get your priorities straight. \*\* Deciding whether the Academy should consider the morality of the recipient when awarding Oscars is for another thread. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/222 "2003-03-25T00:33:11Z")
**HoldenCaulfield** i get the feeling you desire another thread… i was speaking out since there wasn’t a thread, and this one is five pages, and that people have their priorities out of whack. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/223 "2003-03-25T00:51:28Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by minty green \* \*\* I have no idea where you get this " **all** of us crap. [quote] \*\* I guess I’m not following you then… You say > [@](#): > > I’m also listening to the rationalization that this isn’t really about the political content of Moore’s speech at all, it’s all about the decorum of the Oscars. I’m listening to it, and I’m rejecting it. To the extent that it’s a special rule for entertainers that they can mouth off anywhere except awards shows, that’s just fucking stupid. OK…you’re rejecting what you see as the “special rules for awards shows” thinking. > [@](#): > > To the extent that it’s a complaint that such things are inappropriate to the particular award ceremont of the Oscars, that is especially just fucking stupid, given the long history of political statements by Oscar winners and the express authorization of the people who run the show. Ok…you’re noting that the Oscars especially have a history of political expression. > [@](#): > > To the extent that it’s just a bunch of pro-war crybabies getting their panties in a bunch because the mean liberal fat guy insulted them, I think it’s fucking hilarious. Nice job, Mike! I guess you lose me here then…who **are** you referring to here? Who exactly **are** the pro-war crybabies that are in this thread? ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/224 "2003-03-25T00:54:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by FranticMad \* > \*\* > > Ozzy can’t even sing. > > \*\* He can still sing. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/225 "2003-03-25T00:57:18Z")
I found MM’s comments to be in poor taste. Tha tismy opinion. But clearly the most distasteful moment of the night was the thunderous applause for Roman Polanski. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/226 "2003-03-25T00:59:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by beagledave \* > Who exactly **are** the pro-war crybabies that are in this thread? You can start with the OP. ---
**Author:** ![HoldenCaulfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/22d042/32.png) [@HoldenCaulfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoldenCaulfield)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/227 "2003-03-25T00:59:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > \*\*\*\*HoldenCaulfield\*\*i get the feeling you desire another thread… > i was speaking out since there wasn’t a thread, and this one is five pages, and that people have their priorities out of whack. \*\* Actually, the funny thing is that I pressed “Submit Reply” once, then closed the window because I didn’t really care enough to argue it out here or in another thread; somehow it posted it three times. And, even though I am on the other side of the Roman Polanski argument, I, too, thought it was strange that there hadn’t been more mention of his award here at the SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/228 "2003-03-25T01:02:22Z")
Here’s the thing: like all good comedy, it’s all in the delivery. Moore delivered poorly. Let’s think about it a bit. The point he wants to get across is, “Bush is a fake president, this is a fake war.” But, if you lead with that, you alienate people. He _should_ have led off with the “Pope / Dixie Chicks” comment; that would have made at least some people laugh, and the crowd would have been on his side. Then, he could have followed up with his “fiction” material, and the response wouldn’t have been as harsh. Hell, they might even have cheered. Really, the problem wasn’t the message; for the message he wanted to deliver, the crowd should have been on his side. He just delivered it all wrong, by starting with an awkward bash on the president and shouting his speech like a televangelist berating his flock. And again, he’s an asshole for bringing his fellow nominees up there with him when he knew full well that what he was going to say and that they might not agree with him. By making them stand behind him, he put them in the position of _appearing_ to be on his side, whether they wanted to or not. And since he appeared to be asking them to join him on the spur of the moment as he shook their hands in the audience after his name was called, I don’t think it was pre-planned or arranged at all. And really, if the winner of an award asks his fellow nominees to join him onstage during a televised award ceremony, what’re they gonna do, turn him down? Argue? That would make them look like sore losers. Rock and a hard place, that is. ---
**Author:** ![Fearless\_Freap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e56c9b/32.png) [@Fearless\_Freap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fearless_Freap)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/229 "2003-03-25T01:02:37Z")
Roman Polanski shouldn’t get anything after what he did, we can thank the french for harboring his sick ass. Great job, france, thanks! It’s a good thing Moore had the 90 seconds to speak his mind because 2 seconds longer and he would run out of things to say. Moor is a bloviating touchhole. As much as I agree he should have used a little discretion, I’m just as glad he had the opportunity to show his ignorance and see the truthful response the majority holds of him and his bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/230 "2003-03-25T01:18:29Z")
So MM told a joke poorly? What an asshole! Also, does anybody have any actual proof that the other nominees got hijacked into anything at all? It seems unlikely they had no idea they’d all be standing up there together, or that they had no idea MM would spout off about DubyaDubya II. Shit, at least some of them were apparently there the night before when Moore said exactly the same things! [sub]Hmmm, DubyaDubya II. I think I’ve just coined one with a little staying power![/sub] ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/231 "2003-03-25T01:25:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*You can start with the OP. \*\* And…? (there’s a “bunch”…right?) ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/232 "2003-03-25T01:28:29Z")
I intentionally kept my complaint generic instead of calling out specific posters, and I see no reason to change that now. If you really care, email me. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/233 "2003-03-25T01:55:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*Hamlet, I haven’t got the slightest fucking clue what you’re complaining about w/r/t me. I have identified exactly what said posters are whining about–politics! at the Academy Awards! by a fat, rich liberal!–and identified that I think their complaint is stupid, illogical, meritless, and almost certainly a bullshit rationalization of their underlying complaint, which is that they hate the content of Moore’s statements. \*\* And your basis for saying it’s a "bullshit rationalization is…what? Just your gut? And when posters explicitly tell you that it’s not about the content of the speech after you claim it is, and you continue to assert the opposite – well, aren’t you basically accusing those posters of lying? I’d like the pod person that took over the nice, rational, polite **minty** we know and love to please cease and desist control of same immediately. \*\* > [@](#): > > The balance is nothing more than naked assertions that they’d slag pro-war celebs who did stuff in similar situations (though those “similar situations” appear to be nothing more than “other Academy Awards cermonies”), despite a complete dearth of any evidence that said whiners have in fact ever complained about any such thing. Sorry, ain’t buying. Get back to me when you’ve expressed outrage at some dumbass right-wing celeb for a change. \*\* And what evidence would you have us present? It isn’t like there was a conservative equivelant to Moore at the Oscars (or the Emmys, or the Tonys, or the Grammys, or the Boy Scout merit badge ceremony, or whatever). I’m telling you I’d find it in equally bad taste for a conservative to stand up on the Oscar dais and start talking about stupid, smelly hippies, but since no one’s actually gone and done that you’re just gonna have to take my word for it. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/234 "2003-03-25T02:09:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dewey Cheatem Undhow \* > And your basis for saying it’s a "bullshit rationalization is…what? Just your gut? That, combined with the posting histories of the persons to whom I refer and the inherent stupidity of the claim that this sort of thing is unusual or unwelcome at the Oscars. Once you have eliminated the idiotic, the only thing that remains is cow poop. > [@](#): > > And when posters explicitly tell you that it’s not about the content of the speech after you claim it is, and you continue to assert the opposite – well, aren’t you basically accusing those posters of lying? I would be if I had done so in this thread. I have not. > [@](#): > > I’d like the pod person that took over the nice, rational, polite **minty** we know and love to please cease and desist control of same immediately. Polite? Surely you jest. Well, at least in the Pit anyway. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/235 "2003-03-25T02:14:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > I would be if I had done so in this thread. I have not. What I meant is that I have not done so with _particular persons_ in this thread. I reject the rationalization in general, not in any particular instance, even though the rationalization appears both contrived and counter-factual. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/236 "2003-03-25T02:37:19Z")
I agree that Michael Moore looked like a complete buffoon. However, he did accomplish what I thought was impossible: he made Barbra Streisand and Richard Gere look positively restrained. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/237 "2003-03-25T02:46:14Z")
Oh, and about the U2 comments. Bono has learned that there is little to be accomplished by being in-your-face angry. Oh yeah, it’s cool, but in the end it doesn’t solve anything. He’s learned the fine art of restraint and diplomacy. You think Michael Moore has a chance in hell of getting an audience with the Pope or the POTUS to lobby for his pet projects? Highly bloody unlikely. Bush recently significantly increased AIDS funding to Africa, in part because Bono convinced him to do so. Considering their obvious political differences, that’s quite an accomplishment. He’s not about to alienate the people who are in power. That’s just stupid. There’s windbags and then there’s people who actually get shit done. Moore is a windbag. Bono gets shit done. ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/238 "2003-03-25T05:20:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spooje \* > 2 questions: > > 1. What other category could it have gone in? Gun control Pornography 😃 > [@](#): > > 1. Does a documentary have to be impartial? No but one would hope for factually correct. I would like to think I could cite a documentary without being laughed at here. ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/239 "2003-03-25T05:30:04Z")
Michael Moore = **lying** ass. I just saw Roger Ebert on Leno. He said Michael Moore came into the press room after his Oscar remarks and said “Tell the truth! Tell them it was only five loud people booing!” Ebert assured Leno there were more than five people. How the fuck can Moore think he can edit reality like his propaganda films when the videotape of his remarks is available everywhere for everyone to see what really happened? He must be borderline psychotic. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2003, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/240 "2003-03-25T06:50:19Z")
Here’s an ([http://people.ku.edu/~bag/mooreoscars.mp3](http://people.ku.edu/~bag/mooreoscars.mp3)) of his speech. Five boos my ass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688.md?page=13)