# Michael Moore = ass. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 24, 2003, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688 "2003-03-24T03:16:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![SolGrundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@SolGrundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SolGrundy)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/41 "2003-03-24T04:29:57Z")
Hmm, I’d thought Diogenes’ insightful “smoke a fat turd in Hell” rebuttal was actually based on some true political opinion formed after reasoned thought. But then: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic_ > **What’s so damned inappropriate about speaking up at the Oscars. The Oscars are completely unimportant. it’s a trivial, meaningless masturbatory excercise. The only way to inject any importance into them is to totally hijack them with political rants. A big “Fuck Bush” is great to hear in the middle of a crapfest like this.** Ahhh. Apparently it was because the show needed something to shake it up. Because “the Oscars are superficial.” :eek: NO! Holy shit, I think you may be on to something here! Amazing that you and your hero are the first ones ever to point that out! I’d be happy to see Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore locked into a room together and have the key thrown away. Either they’d kill each other or come to an understanding and make hot sweet love (hopefully the room would have no windows), or just explode from being so close to each other. Either way, we’d have two less arrogant, one-sided, attention-grabbing, truth-twisting morons spewing their horrificly simplistic platitudes all over the country. And hopefully it would get their less-enlightened followers to stop parroting everything they say as if they were deep and insightful and shrieking at anyone who disagrees with them that they’re “on the other side!” To wit: > [@](#): > > You know, I suspect that if Mel Gibson or somebody gave some rah rah, wank off speech about “supporting the troops” none of you Moore bashers would have had a problem with it. Yeah, that’s exactly what we’re saying. You’re either for us or against us! America: Love it or Leave it! No Blood for Oil! Support America or Shut The Hell Up! Bush Was Never Really Elected! I’m Too Stupid to Form My Own Opinon So I’ll Inanely Parrot Back Whatever Leftist or Rightist Propaganda I Heard Last! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/42 "2003-03-24T04:34:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gangster Octopus \* > \*\*I wonder if Moore was taking notes during Adrien Brody’s acceptance speech. \*\* They sure gave HIM a lot more _time_ than they gave Moore. ---
**Author:** ![Doc\_Nickel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@Doc\_Nickel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doc_Nickel)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/43 "2003-03-24T04:35:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > **… The Oscars are completely unimportant. it’s a trivial, meaningless masturbatory excercise…** -And yet you called Moore a “hero”. > [@](#): > > \*\* You know, I suspect that if Mel Gibson or somebody gave some rah rah, wank off speech about “supporting the troops” none of you Moore bashers would have had a problem with it.\*\* -Very likely. At this point, we are AT war, regardless of what you feel about the reasoning behind it. The troops themselves have very little say in where they’re aimed and by whom they’re fired. You may feel the war itself is unjust, but one might think that even a bastard such as yourself could scrape together a modicum of support for the men and women actually out there following the orders. ---
**Author:** ![Convict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Convict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Convict)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/44 "2003-03-24T04:35:59Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\* rah rah, wank off speech about “supporting the troops”_\* What’s so wrong with supporting the troops? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/45 "2003-03-24T04:37:28Z")
> [@](#): > > I’d be happy to see Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore locked into a room together and have the key thrown away. Either they’d kill each other or come to an understanding and make hot sweet love Now you’re thinking, but forget about the closet, let’s let them have a knife fight right there on stage. You have to admit that would be way more entertaining than anything they’ve got on now. I could have done without the visual sexual image, though. Nw how am I going to get to sleep tonight without cleansing my brain of THAT ugly picture? ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/46 "2003-03-24T04:38:41Z")
One suspects that an award winner who expressed support for the President and the war would be received by certain posters herein as a wonderful thing to have mentioned on such an auspicious occasion. It’s called expressing an opinion, you big pussies. Fuck you if you can’t deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![JustPlainBryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/57b2e6/32.png) [@JustPlainBryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustPlainBryan)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/47 "2003-03-24T04:40:23Z")
Not to get too far off topic, but I think this statement by **Diogenes the Cynic** needed challenging: > [@](#): > > The Oscars are completely unimportant. it’s a trivial, meaningless masturbatory excercise. The only way to inject any importance into them is to totally hijack them with political rants. A big “Fuck Bush” is great to hear in the middle of a crapfest like this. Michael Moore probably thought along these lines as well, and that is why his comments were rude and dissrespectful. Simply because the Oscars are unimportant to you does not mean that the Oscars are unimportant to everyone. Much as you may disdain to hear it, this is a big affair for many in the movie industry, and for many more in the country. To dismiss the Oscars as unimportant and meaningless is inaccurate. To try and push your politcal views during the Oscars is tacky and rude. ---
**Author:** ![JustPlainBryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/57b2e6/32.png) [@JustPlainBryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustPlainBryan)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/48 "2003-03-24T04:42:37Z")
> [@](#): > > One suspects that an award winner who expressed support for the President and the war would be received by certain posters herein as a wonderful thing to have mentioned on such an auspicious occasion. Nope. I would have called that tacky and rude as well. ---
**Author:** ![WaryEri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ea666f/32.png) [@WaryEri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WaryEri)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/49 "2003-03-24T04:45:10Z")
I’d be just as unimpressed with some fist pumping pro war, faux-patiriotic nonsense Oscar hijjak as I am with Moore’s foaming-at-the-mouth anti war nonsense Oscar hijjak. The Oscar’s are not a forum for either. The pins are tasteful, and I think they were getting the point across nicely. Shouting at Bush over a chorus of boos and get-the-hell-off-the-stage music doesn’t present much of a reasoned approach to opposing the war. I’m pissed at Moore for giving the hawks yet another example of foolishness in the anti-war crowd to point at and pretend as a representation of the whole. He might as well have vomited on the sidewalk in front of a governmental building, for all the good he did his cause, and mine. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/50 "2003-03-24T04:46:09Z")
C’mon, people, admit it, the off-topic stuff is the best part of the Oscars every year. 😃 Am I the only one who remembers Sacheen Littlefeather? ---
**Author:** ![JustPlainBryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/57b2e6/32.png) [@JustPlainBryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustPlainBryan)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/51 "2003-03-24T04:48:37Z")
I think an appropriate analogy would be hijacking a thread in Cafe Society with your radical political views, which of course have nothing to do with the OP. ---
**Author:** ![SolGrundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@SolGrundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SolGrundy)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/52 "2003-03-24T04:55:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*One suspects that an award winner who expressed support for the President and the war would be received by certain posters herein as a wonderful thing to have mentioned on such an auspicious occasion. > > It’s called expressing an opinion, you big pussies. Fuck you if you can’t deal with it. \*\* Fuck you if you can’t read. The subject line reads “Michael Moore = ass”, not “Michael Moore = wrong because he’s against this war which we obviously support 100%.” It’s quite possible that certain posters herein are capable of having reasoned opinons about the US military action in Iraq _and still_ recognize what is and isn’t appropriate to say during an event that has absolutely nothing to do with politics. Some of us have opinions that are too complex to pass the litmus-test “You’re for us or you’re against us!” garbage that we’re having spouted at us from knee-jerk idiots on the “right” and “left”. ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/53 "2003-03-24T05:02:01Z")
Who would have thought that a rap song winning Best Original song Oscar (not that Em doesn’t deserve it–I called that) wouldn’t be the most talked about topic tonight. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/54 "2003-03-24T05:04:00Z")
Blow me, Sol. The Oscars have been a political platform for decades. If Chuck Heston wants to get up there and praise the Second Amendment, if Richard Gere wants to wax rhapsodic about Tibet, if Michael Moore wants to bash the President, you know what? It’s fucking America, dude. Get over it. ---
**Author:** ![beckwall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b487fb/32.png) [@beckwall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beckwall)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/55 "2003-03-24T05:07:01Z")
Our troops are responsible for “liberting Iraq”, so that Iraqi people can have freedoms such as the right to free speech. When did we lose that right in America??? If you disagree with someone’s opinion and then call them an ass, what does that say about you? ---
**Author:** ![beckwall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b487fb/32.png) [@beckwall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beckwall)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/56 "2003-03-24T05:09:54Z")
BTW, when GWB uses the name of God (his God, certainly not every American’s), is he being an asshole because he is mixing church and state??? ---
**Author:** ![Fionn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Fionn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fionn)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/57 "2003-03-24T05:13:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by beckwall \* > \*\*Our troops are responsible for “liberting Iraq”, so that Iraqi people can have freedoms such as the right to free speech. When did we lose that right in America??? If you disagree with someone’s opinion and then call them an ass, what does that say about you? \*\* It means you’re exercising your free speech rights as well. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from criticism or disagreement. I was surprised there were as many boos as there were. I was also kinda surprised Moore wasn’t wearing a baseball cap. ---
**Author:** ![moi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@moi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moi)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/58 "2003-03-24T05:13:19Z")
FWIW, the award show’s producer announced ahead of time that Oscar winners could use their time to talk about the war or politics, rather than the gushing ohmigosh-thankyou-thankyou of tradition [[cite](http://us.imdb.com/PeopleNews/2003/20030319.html#7)]. I didn’t see the program and generally don’t have a problem with Moore, but the CNN article linked previously quoted him as saying the other nominees were on stage with him “in solidarity,” which seems false and awkward for them. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/59 "2003-03-24T05:13:22Z")
Actually, I’m all for Michael Moore saying his piece, even though I disagree with him. Speaking your mind is what this country is all about, and if the man can’t say something about current events on what is likely to be his only Oscar award, then what the fuck are we defending? Go, Michael Moore and freedom of expression! With that said. . . fuck you, lefties. ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/60 "2003-03-24T05:19:00Z")
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