# Michael Moore = ass. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 24, 2003, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688 "2003-03-24T03:16:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/121 "2003-03-24T15:00:27Z")
I was a little pissed to learn that members of the press corps gave Moore a standing ovation backstage. Nothing like objectivity in the media. As to Moore himself, I can’t decide who to laugh at more, his buffonery or the people who are surprised he did it. And did we ever find out if Moore had let his fellow nominees in on his little tirade before he suckered them into coming up on stage. If he did, fine. If not, he’s a maggot. If anyone has facts, let me know. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/122 "2003-03-24T15:01:40Z")
You and \*\*Tejota \*\* can go do the tango for all I care. It is a tradition in the Oscar for the music to stop people who are going beyond their slot. Music cutting people off is nothing new. Some people ignore it and just keep going. The music cutting him off is not getting booed off. You made it sound like he left the stage because of the boos. He didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/123 "2003-03-24T15:02:49Z")
That was to **Sam Stone** ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/124 "2003-03-24T15:05:36Z")
Oh and **Diogenes the Cynic** I found this link. [http://www.voy.com/112825/1/63.html](http://www.voy.com/112825/1/63.html) > [@](#): > > Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, says courts have not ruled that religious study in public buildings is inherently unconstitutional. > > ‘‘If there’s equal treatment among people who don’t attend and there’s no pressure, then, frankly, it doesn’t violate the First Amendment,’’ he says. ‘‘We have not gotten a single complaint from anyone at the White House.’’ > Controversy erupted last year when The Washington Post reported that Attorney General John Ashcroft holds daily Bible studies at the Justice Department. Some staffers said they felt uncomfortable about those sessions because their boss led them and they felt pressure to attend. So what’s the story? ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/125 "2003-03-24T15:08:08Z")
I didn’t see the Oscars, but the clips I saw had him got booed A LOT. I’m sure there were cheers in there, but there were obviously boos. Whether or not he was “booed off” is a judgment call, but I think I’ll take the word of someone who **actually watched the show with the _VOLUME UP_** (that would be Sam Stone) over someone who had the volume down and was just “guessing” (that would be Tejota). And I think that Tejota has a lot of nerve to tell someone who **actually watched the show with the _VOLUME UP_** that he was a “liar” about what actually happened on the show. I mean, really. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/126 "2003-03-24T15:11:06Z")
> [@](#): > > _yojimbo says:_ The thing is you are fucking wrong. He was not booed off the stage. He left the stage when he was finished. Well, he gave the exact same speech the night before at the Independent Spirit Awards–at least it started that way. But as soon as the booing started, you could tell he was talking faster and faster and things he said the night before (which I’m absolutely certain he intended on saying again in his prerehearsed way) got thrown by the wayside as he knew he would not be up there long enough to give the entire thing. In short, he got cut short. He clearly did not say everything he wanted to, so getting “booed off” is a perfectly appropriate way to characterize it. ---
**Author:** ![5-HT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/f19dbf/32.png) [@5-HT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5-HT)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/127 "2003-03-24T15:12:41Z")
It’s kind of funny that we(well, some of us) are talking about Michael Moore as if he’s some hero of free speech, considering he took the forums down from his site when the debate got too hot. I can’t verify this on Moore’s site as it appears to have been taken down entirely(or maybe just overloaded with traffic today), but it mentions it on the sidebar at MooreWatch. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/128 "2003-03-24T15:16:59Z")
**Sam** I’ll look at the repeat tonight and see is the time allotted to him shorter than normal. I can’t really remember the time span as I was enjoying MM acting the bollocks so much. I do believe he was acting the bollocks BTW I just don’t see anything wrong with it. The Oscars has does not hold any importance to me whatsoever other than a good show and the chance to make bets on the movies that I like. It’s about entertainment and MM was very entertaining IMO. If he was cut very short you may have a point but I would guess even then it was already planned ie. “If the Moore fuck starts banging on about the war, cut him off” :- The director of the show. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/129 "2003-03-24T15:18:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yosemitebabe \* > \*\* > Whether or not he was “booed off” is a judgment call, but I think I’ll take the word of someone who **actually watched the show with the _VOLUME UP_** (that would be Sam Stone) over someone who had the volume down and was just “guessing” (that would be Tejota). > \*\* I watched it as well (actually, by chance it was the only 5 minutes or so that I watched). Moore accepted his award…mentioned that he had invited all nominees on stage…and then proceeded to give his “fiction” speech. As he got to the part about the the “fictitious” election, the boos started. As he continued on…the boos got louder…and he appeared to try and speak louder and faster (apparently to finish before the hook). At that point the orchestra kicked in and he left the stage. I suppose reasonable people could argue about whether the boos contributed to him leaving before he was done pontificating. IMHO…they contributed a bit, the orchestra finished it off. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/130 "2003-03-24T15:18:35Z")
**5-HT** I heard the forum was down because of hackers. Something that as you know we’re familiar with here. No cite though. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/131 "2003-03-24T15:27:56Z")
White House Bible study article from [USA Today.](http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2002-10-13-bible-usat_x.htm) Howard Fineman’s [Newsweek](http://www.msnbc.com/news/878520.asp?0ql=c7p) article on Bush’s religious fanatacism. To be sure, the Bible study is characterized as “non-compulsary,” but it is strongly “encouraged,” and higher ranking staffers routinely chastise those who don’t go. It is tacitly understtod that fundamentalism is a part of the White House culture. To quote Frum from the [Progressive](http://www.progressive.org/feb03/comm0203.html): > [@](#): > > **Frum is quite open about the importance of fundamentalism in the Bush Administration. The first words he says he ever heard in the White House from George Bush were: “Missed you at Bible study.” Frum writes, "Bush came from and spoke for a very different culture from that of the individualistic Ronald Reagan: the culture of modern Evangelicalism. To understand the Bush White House, you must understand its predominant creed."** ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/132 "2003-03-24T15:29:59Z")
Fionn said, "I’m sure all the Congress reps and Senators would be dying to be known as the one who booed Jesus. " Since when the FUCK is Dubya Jaysus? ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/133 "2003-03-24T15:30:24Z")
Cheers **Diogenes**. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/134 "2003-03-24T15:48:38Z")
So we’ve gone from “The fact that he forces everyone who works at the White House to go to Bible study meetings is grossly inappropriate,” posted by **Diogenes the Cynic** , to “Attendance is voluntary and, although the lessons are Christian, non-Christians are welcome,” from the _USA Today_ story, posted as a cite for his statement by **Diogenes the Cynic**. I’m having a difficult time reconciling these two sentences. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/135 "2003-03-24T15:51:41Z")
Oh boy, you don’t have to be a Christian to be pressured into attending Christian fundamentalist Bible study…what fucking tolerance. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![LordVor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90ced4/32.png) [@LordVor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LordVor)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/136 "2003-03-24T15:53:40Z")
Well, after a day’s rest and reflection: Moore spoke several bits of truth. We are in the war for ficticious reasons. (There’s a little devil inside my head that wants Jay Leno to use the joke, “Did you hear that US Troops aren’t carrying American flags to be planted on captured terriory? Instead they decided to use ‘Mobile’ and ‘Exxon’ signs.”) Duct tape is a ficticious defence against biological and chemical weapons. Our “Alert” status seems to go up and down depending on how worked up about Iraq GWB wants us to be. We’re currently at “Orange” without any specific intelligence to suggest an impending attack, BTW. I think it’s cool that Moore did his speach. But I think he’s an ass for doing it. I’m trying to figure out why that is, why I think that he was cool for being an ass, but the reasons I found were beyond the scope of this thread. I may raise them elsewhere. I find it difficult to believe that the others were “duped” up there, since many of them had to be at the Spirit Awards when he gave the same speach. As for the quality of the movie itself, a documentary is supposed to present a point of view, that’s not saying you have to like it if it’s not your point of view. What I regret is that MM made a film that used the images of Columbine to drive it further into the mainstream than his projects normally get, won numberous awards for it, and completely failed to thank anybody who had anything to do with the making of the film during his Oscar acceptance speach. Or make any point about gun violence in america. U2, however, are no longer U2. I didn’t have much doubt before last night that they had turned their backs on their roots, but for them to have a live mike on an international broadcast and to just sing their little song and shut up… Along the same lines, it would have been freaken cool if they blew off the song they were supposed to sing and did “Sunday Bloody Sunday”, and they would have been asses for doing it. -lv ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/137 "2003-03-24T15:57:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > **The fact that he forces everyone who works at the White House to go to Bible study meetings is grossly inappropriate.** You have, once again, proven yourself to be a lying piece of shit with a political agenda. So kindly go fuck yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/138 "2003-03-24T16:01:21Z")
What did I say that was a lie? ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/139 "2003-03-24T16:07:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*What did I say that was a lie? \*\* Well, how about this: “The fact that he forces everyone who works at the White House to go to Bible study meetings is grossly inappropriate.” You have yet to prove this is true. Bush simply saying “I missed you at Bible study last week” isn’t “force(ing) everyone who works at the White House to go to Bible study meetings.” Your own cites for that statement don’t back it up. Are you channeling **Milossarian** now, or what? ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/140 "2003-03-24T16:09:30Z")
I saw a clip of Moore’s harangue, and I remember thinking, “Well, I hope you’ve made all the money you’ve intended.” BTW, **Diogenes** , try to stay on topic; you’re wandering. I know, it’s tough with the rabies and all, but give it a shot, OK? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688.md?page=8)