# Michael Moore = ass. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 24, 2003, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688 "2003-03-24T03:16:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/141 "2003-03-24T16:12:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*What did I say that was a lie? \*\* Preface: I have absolutely no regard for your opinions, and I will not involve myself in a “debate” with you, especially when you are either being a complete idiot, or deliberately obtuse. Bush has never “forced everyone who works at the White House to go to Bible study meetings.” You said it was a fact that he did. You are a liar. Pretty simple. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/142 "2003-03-24T16:16:38Z")
Well, how about if I say that Bush _pressures_ White House staffers to attend Bible study? Is that better? And don’t tell me that when the POTUS says “I missed you at Bible study” you don;t feel a little bit of pressure. Can we at least agree that it’s inappropriate for a president to encourage any specific religious culture in the White House? Anyway, it was part of an overall rant about how Bush habitually hijacks his own speeches and press confrences with irrelevent religious blathering. can we agree that _that_ is at least as _inappropriate_ as Moore giving him the finger at the Oscars? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/143 "2003-03-24T16:19:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*Like I said, I was _expecting_ rationalization. 🙂 But that particular rationalization don’t fly, Dewey. The producers of the Oscars have specifically chosen to open up the microphones to the winners of the awards, and have made it perfectly clear that the expression of political sentiment is acceptable. \*\* Oh, please. When I opened up the microphone to my best man to give a toast at my wedding, I hardly think that if he had launched into a political polemic his behavior would have been seen as acceptable by the assembled masses, even if I had told him he could say whatever was on his mind. \*\* > [@](#): > > What the Moore-bashing in this thread amounts to, when stripped of its fine veneer of bullshit, is the preference that persons opposed to the war should shut the fuck up for the duration and beyond. \*\* There’s a fine veneer of bullshit alright, but it’s not coming from the people who are simply saying they prefer their Oscars politics-free. On what basis do you make this claim? Certainly **Sol** made clear that he thought politics of any kind, left or right, were inappropriate at the Oscars. So have other posters. They’ve all said that the choice of venue is what they object to, not the expression of opinion itself. Are they all lying? ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/144 "2003-03-24T16:21:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*… can we agree that _that_ is at least as _inappropriate_ as Moore giving him the finger at the Oscars? \*\* But in one case, the actions warrant a “hero” label? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/145 "2003-03-24T16:21:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Are they all lying? Pretty much, yeah. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/146 "2003-03-24T16:24:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dewey Cheatem Undhow \* > \*\*They’ve all said that the choice of venue is what they object to, not the expression of opinion itself. Are they all lying? \*\* Actually, what **I’ve** objected to was the crassness and mannerism of Moore’s remarks. There were other remarks that didn’t sink to his level. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/147 "2003-03-24T16:24:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by beagledave \* > \*\*But in one case, the actions warrant a “hero” label? 😉 \*\* Moore’s statement took more courage. Bush is not risking getting booed off stage or suffering career damage from spouting religious platitudes. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/148 "2003-03-24T16:25:30Z")
Before anyone criticizes or backs the war in Iraq, please get yourself a little more educated on the topic. Liberals need to stop listening to people like Michael Moore and Conservatives need to stop listening to people like Rush Limbaugh. Both of these guys are ignorant bufoons who like to hear themselves talk. They make a stand because they feel it’s their role, not because they actually have an educated opinion on it. PBS had a fantastic (unbiased) history of Iraq, Sadam, and Americas relationship with it over the past 20 odd years. Nice to form my own views after watching something like this rather than listening to MM at the Oscars. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/149 "2003-03-24T16:37:08Z")
In his acceptance speech Adrian Brody, stopped the orchestra and gave his (very touching) comments about the war. He got a standing ovation. MM on the other hand got boos and the orchestra did not stop playing. I guess it is the difference between class (Brody) and no class. I support MM right to make these commnets, but I also reserve my right to say that he is an asshat. Oh and Kudos to Steve Martin for his in the trunk comment. It broght the awards back to where they should be. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/150 "2003-03-24T16:39:25Z")
[quote] > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Dewey Cheatum Undhow_ > There’s a fine veneer of bullshit alright, but it’s not coming from the people who are simply saying they prefer their Oscars politics-free. On what basis do you make this claim? Certainly Sol made clear that he thought politics of any kind, left or right, were inappropriate at the Oscars. So have other posters. They’ve all said that the choice of venue is what they object to, not the expression of opinion itself. Are they all lying? > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic_ > Pretty much, yeah. I cannot believe you just said this, particularly after a statement you made has just been proven incorrect. I choose to believe you were mistaken, rather than deliberately lying. That you would choose to believe some of the participants in this thread are lying about their motivations for posting is reprehensible. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/151 "2003-03-24T16:46:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*Moore’s statement took more courage. Bush is not risking getting booed off stage or suffering career damage from spouting religious platitudes. \*\* Ah, I see. In DtC land, doing something that risks ridicule implies “courage” which equals hero status. So a drunk college frat boy streaking down main street is a hero? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![BonoVox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@BonoVox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BonoVox)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/152 "2003-03-24T16:48:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by LordVor \* > \*\* > > U2, however, are no longer U2. I didn’t have much doubt before last night that they had turned their backs on their roots, but for them to have a live mike on an international broadcast and to just sing their little song and shut up… Along the same lines, it would have been freaken cool if they blew off the song they were supposed to sing and did “Sunday Bloody Sunday”, and they would have been asses for doing it. > > -lv \*\* Larry is coming to kick your arse. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/153 "2003-03-24T16:49:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dewey Cheatem Undhow \* > Oh, please. When I opened up the microphone to my best man to give a toast at my wedding, I hardly think that if he had launched into a political polemic his behavior would have been seen as acceptable by the assembled masses, even if I had told him he could say whatever was on his mind. Except, of course, that’s not even remotely like the Oscars, which have repeatedly been used for the espousal of political viewpoints, a practice which was expressly approved by the organizers of the event. In all other respects, I’m sure your wedding was exactly like the Oscars. 😛 > [@](#): > > They’ve all said that the choice of venue is what they object to, not the expression of opinion itself. Are they all lying? No, I believe they are rationalizing. I believe this because I ain’t seen any of these sorry SOB’s whining about anybody else expressing their views in other forums, except perhaps in the recent case of the Dixie Chicks. C’mon guys, if you’re going to have ANY credibility on this, start bashing pro-war celebs who express their opinions. May I suggest you start with that terrible “Do You Remember?” song? Blech! ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/154 "2003-03-24T16:53:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sauron \* > **I cannot believe you just said this, particularly after a statement you made has just been proven incorrect. I choose to believe you were mistaken, rather than deliberately lying.** Methinks you are giving **Diogenes** too much credit. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/155 "2003-03-24T16:59:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\* > C’mon guys, if you’re going to have ANY credibility on this, start bashing pro-war celebs who express their opinions. May I suggest you start with that terrible “Do You Remember?” song? Blech! \*\* **IF** those celebrities had done so (1) at this venue, (2) in the manner Moore did…I sure as hell would be “bashing” them…umm as I already indicated earlier in the thread. If Moore had done so at his own book signing…different scenario. FWIW, I think Toby Keith’s pro war jingoistic diddy sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/156 "2003-03-24T17:09:50Z")
> [@](#): > > I cannot believe you just said this, particularly after a statement you made has just been proven incorrect. I choose to believe you were mistaken, rather than deliberately lying. That you would choose to believe some of the participants in this thread are lying about their motivations for posting is reprehensible. I’m sorry but I think most of them are just full of shit. They’re pissed off because of _what_ he said, not _where_ he said it. There may be one or two exceptions, but for the most part, i think they just hate Moore for his opinions, and I don’t believe we’d have a pit thread for anyone who had given a “support the troops” speech. **beagledave** , Let’s also toss in toss in the fact that Moore happened to be _right_ about what he was saying. It takes courage to espouse what’s right and risk consequences, rather than just go along to get along. ---
**Author:** ![drpepper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8baadc/32.png) [@drpepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drpepper)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/157 "2003-03-24T17:14:36Z")
> [@](#): > > Moore’s statement took more courage. Bush is not risking getting booed off stage or suffering career damage from spouting religious platitudes. Are you even freaking _listening_ to yourself, **Dio**? Your vitriolic frothing at the mouth because of your hatred for Bush is digging you in so deep that you don’t even make any sense anymore. Your spouting off unsubstantiated bullshit (mandatory Bible study… riiiiight) and coming off like a silly partisan ass who can’t think straight. Just take a deep breath, and admit you are acting like a loose cannon here, and looking for any excuse to bash. “Bush is not risking getting booed off stage or suffering career damage…”? Hello??? Is the man President by Papal fiat? A political career is about the most dangerous there is when it comes to the consequences of one’s missteps. I’m not a huge fan of the man, either, but for Christ’s sake! I know you are smarter than this! ---
**Author:** ![LordVor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90ced4/32.png) [@LordVor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LordVor)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/158 "2003-03-24T17:14:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by beagledave \* > \*\*Ah, I see. > > In DtC land, doing something that risks ridicule implies “courage” which equals hero status. > > So a drunk college frat boy streaking down main street is a hero? :dubious: \*\* Where the fuck did that come from? DtC is saying that expressing an unpopular opinion takes more courage than expressing a popular opinion. And then, if you feel that the unpopular opinion is the “right” opinion, you may feel that the expresser of that opinion is behaving as a hero. He’s managing to mix his thoughts that make sense with enough ridiculous accusations to submarine his points, but this is not one of those ridiculous thoughts. -lv ---
**Author:** ![Model-Shipwright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@Model-Shipwright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Model-Shipwright)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/159 "2003-03-24T17:18:59Z")
> [@](#): > > Michael Moore is the only fucking hero in that building. He’s the only one who’s had the balls to say what needs to be said. The truth hurts doesn’t it? Time and time again you prove beyond a reasonable doubt how right I am. You are indeed one of the stupidest posters on this board. ---
**Author:** ![Model-Shipwright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@Model-Shipwright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Model-Shipwright)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2003, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688/160 "2003-03-24T17:21:35Z")
> [@](#): > > Are you even freaking listening to yourself, Dio? Your vitriolic frothing at the mouth because of your hatred for Bush is digging you in so deep that you don’t even make any sense anymore. Your spouting off unsubstantiated bullshit (mandatory Bible study… riiiiight) and coming off like a silly partisan ass who can’t think straight. Just take a deep breath, and admit you are acting like a loose cannon here, and looking for any excuse to bash. Indeed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michael-moore-ass/163688.md?page=9)